the ADS-B rebate program is ON again !

[RV7A Flyer]

Originally Posted by Turbo69bird

I heard back from uavionix and they said unless it's a tso'd unit it doesn't qualify but the tso'd tail beacon isn't available yet and that will be $350 more.

Why does it seem like we (experimental owners) help to fast track the certification process but we don't get a very good reward for doing so.

Yep. And I don't want to go down the path of "sour grapes" for myself, because that's not a healthy approach, BUT...

This whole rebate program seems off-kilter. One, what difference does it make if it's a certified plane, a TSO'd unit, an experimental, or a solution that "meets the TSO" (a la Dynon Skyview's XPDR+WAAS GPS)? Isn't the idea to get the fleet equipped?

And second, this should have been rolled out *much* earlier...all they've done is encourage the certified fleet to continue putting it off until later, which will likely result in a crush of people trying to equip late in 2019 (and what vendor wouldn't take advantage of a sudden increase in demand to raise prices?). And then ended much earlier, as well. You snooze, you lose sort of thing.

All that said, I don't regret for a moment installing the complete ADS-B in and out package from Dynon as soon as they were available. The traffic and weather capabilities are nothing short of terrific, with more coming all the time (new weather products on the horizon), and I'm 2020-compliant.

[rbibb]

Originally Posted by RV7A Flyer

This whole rebate program seems off-kilter. One, what difference does it make if it's a certified plane, a TSO'd unit, an experimental, or a solution that "meets the TSO" (a la Dynon Skyview's XPDR+WAAS GPS)? Isn't the idea to get the fleet equipped?

Well remember that the FAA can?t do anything unless Congress passes the appropriation bill first. Seems I read recently that FAA was just funded for several years just recently so I expect timing was related.

As they say, ?write your congressman (or woman) but that assumes they can read,

[noelf]

This from the FAA web site FAQ section:

Why is the rebate program limited to one rebate per owner?

To address the target audience, the FAA is limiting the rebate to one per owner. This helps focus the incentive on the largest group of aircraft owners with the greatest cost concerns. Also, tax regulations would have required additional processing for payments in excess of $600 per individual. This would have imposed an additional administrative burden on the FAA, would have required more information from the applicant, and would have delayed users from receiving their rebates. Owners of multiple eligible aircraft may only apply for one rebate.

SOoooo...although I got the rebate for the RV, I can not receive a rebate for the Cessna 150.

[alpinelakespilot2000]

So let me know I have the gist of this thread:

This rebate is essentially irrelevant for us in the EAB community unless we want to purchase/install TSO'd equipment for which we will almost certainly pay more for the "TSO" than we would ever get back in the form of the rebate? Sound about right?

If so, I'll continue waiting until 2020 as I have been for the last few years.

[Shark]

Originally Posted by alpinelakespilot2000

So let me know I have the gist of this thread:

This rebate is essentially irrelevant for us in the EAB community unless we want to purchase/install TSO'd equipment for which we will almost certainly pay more for the "TSO" than we would ever get back in the form of the rebate? Sound about right?

If so, I'll continue waiting until 2020 as I have been for the last few years.

I agree with you, I gave in and just ordered the Echo UAT

[AX-O]

I contacted the EAA for the first time and requested their help. Below is their reply.

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Hello Axel,

EAA did contact the FAA to get this requirement changed during the first rebate. Unfortunately, the FAA held their position that non-TSOed equipment already comes at a lower price, and the rebate is intended to reduce the cost imposed on those required to install the more expensive TSOed equipment.

Please let me know if I can answer any other questions.

Best,

Lily Johnson - EAA #1274875
Government Advocacy Specialist
EAA-The Spirit of Aviation

[RV7A Flyer]

Originally Posted by AX-O

Hello Axel,

EAA did contact the FAA to get this requirement changed during the first rebate. Unfortunately, the FAA held their position that non-TSOed equipment already comes at a lower price, and the rebate is intended to reduce the cost imposed on those required to install the more expensive TSOed equipment.

This is so head-slappingly stupid it hurts...

[wrongway john]

Seems like experimentals are just better off taking the already few hundred dollars less for the non-TSOed equipment, and not dealing with the government rebate mess. You have to have a shop install the TSO stuff as well to qualify for the rebate, right? They charge, what, $1,000 to do what, a 4-8 hour installation?

Even if it takes me a day or two, seems like just getting the right equipment is well over half the battle.

I have yet to study it that much, but also thinking about going with the Stratus ESG.

[lr172]

Originally Posted by Jesse

If it isn?t installed yet, you should still qualify for the rebate.

Have you confirmed that or is it speculation? I bought a Garmin 23 transponder a couple of months ago for my 10 that should be flying by March.

Larry

[lr172]

Originally Posted by RV7A Flyer

And second, this should have been rolled out *much* earlier....

Not to defend the FAA, but the timing of this rebate program would lead one to speculate that it was desired some time ago, but couldn't proceed until their funding was re-up'ed. The FAA has had almost 9 months of uncertainty on their 2019 and beyond funding. This rebate program was announced only a month after the funding bill was passed. Mordenization was a center piece of the argument for the long term funding.

Larry