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09-01-2018, 04:21 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Elkton, Md.
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The 12ist prototype is a stunning and almost flawless airplane. I say ?almost ? because there might be a slight flaw in it, but I sure didn?t see it. Van?s has a real good crew working on this.
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09-03-2018, 06:22 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Locust Grove, Ga
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Just to correct any misconceptions, the RV-12isT prototype was assembled and painted by Synergy Air in Eugene.
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09-04-2018, 04:41 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Granbury Texas
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Saw the Garmin panel picture, hopefully the Dynon HDX will still be an option.
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09-04-2018, 08:28 AM
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Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Hubbard Oregon
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Originally Posted by Pat Stewart
Saw the Garmin panel picture, hopefully the Dynon HDX will still be an option.
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It is still an option.
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09-05-2018, 07:57 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 846
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RV-12 build
How do you make a small fortune in aviation ?
You start with a large fortune !
Bob
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09-05-2018, 08:14 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Dallas area
Posts: 10,761
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 6 Gun
How do you make a small fortune in aviation ?
You start with a large fortune !
Bob
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.......And get out early!
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09-07-2018, 07:55 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Niceville, FL
Posts: 25
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Is Van?s going to push ASTM to making an IMC-capable standard?
I really have a tough time ethically training folks for instruments when the airplane is VMC only.
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09-09-2018, 11:36 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 81
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Originally Posted by hook
Is Van?s going to push ASTM to making an IMC-capable standard?
I really have a tough time ethically training folks for instruments when the airplane is VMC only.
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Does anyone know for sure how Vans is handling this? The FAA Operating Limitations of an S-LSA don't prohibit IFR or IMC. ASTM F37, however, hasn't been on board lately. I know changes are in the works for increasing LSA weight, but haven't heard anything re IMC.
Will the RV-12isT be able to be used for the 250nm Cross Country requirement? Are flight schools supposed to wait for severe clear days to fly the cross country?
Economical light sport aircraft could be huge benefit for IFR training, much better than spending a large portion of the time in a simulator to keep costs down. I wish Vans, and other LSA manufacturers, good fortune in this endeavor. |
09-10-2018, 10:11 AM
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Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Aurora, OR
Posts: 841
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Originally Posted by bhassel
Has the gross weight increased or other changes with going EAB?
Thanks,
Bob
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EAB on the RV-12 is really the same as EAB on any other model. You decide, and the DAR/FAA agrees. Van's has not published any different gross weight changes, and won't be doing that. The design margin in that regard belongs to the engineers and the -12 already has a pretty great useful load in the LSA class compared to others.
With regard to operating in IMC and IFR, again hat's an op limits item and obviously can;t be done operating under sport pilot privileges.
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Building RV-8A since Sept 2014 (N88VX reserved)
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Aurora, OR (EAA Chapter 105)
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09-10-2018, 05:01 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 81
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Originally Posted by greghughespdx
With regard to operating in IMC and IFR, again hat's an op limits item and obviously can;t be done operating under sport pilot privileges.
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That's correct re: sport pilot privileges, but Vans is marketing the RV-iST as an IFR trainer, private pilots will be flying, not sport pilots. http://www.flyrv12.com/the-rv-12ist-trainer/
I'm wondering if Vans plans that Instrument Rating students will fly their 250nm cross country in the RV-iST or if they will need to rent another plane for this part of the training. That doesn't make too much sense for a flight school that just bought new aircraft. I want Vans to succeed in the area of low-cost IFR trainers, I'm just asking what the plan is for ASTM F37, FAA operating limitation should be no issue.
Last edited by Spirko : 09-10-2018 at 05:03 PM.
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