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Old 07-28-2018, 03:26 PM
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Have a listen to this if you want to hear extraordinary patience of KOSH ATC on the behalf of a very unprepared pilot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=no5YX71PT6o

Sermon over...
Wow!!! It was difficult to listen to this unprepared pilot.
This is a guy ATC should have gotten the tail# and had him land immediately at an alternate airport & sent him home.
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Old 07-28-2018, 03:46 PM
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Wow!!! It was difficult to listen to this unprepared pilot.
This is a guy ATC should have gotten the tail# and had him land immediately at an alternate airport & sent him home.
They have his tail number. No repercussions whatsoever. Unbelievable!!!
And this ladies and gentlemen is exhibit #1 as to why the arrival was messed up on Saturday and Sunday. He was not the only unprepared #&%@&#?~. Didn?t read the NOTAM, didn?t have the NOTAM, and had no idea where he was or where he was going. Of course the NOTAM was for the rest of us, not him.
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Old 07-28-2018, 03:57 PM
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They have his tail number. No repercussions whatsoever. Unbelievable!!!
And this ladies and gentlemen is exhibit #1 as to why the arrival was messed up on Saturday and Sunday. He was not the only unprepared #&%@&#?~. Didn?t read the NOTAM, didn?t have the NOTAM, and had no idea where he was or where he was going. Of course the NOTAM was for the rest of us, not him.
Just to be clear, I don't believe this recording occurred during last Sunday. My non-pilot wife pointed this out to me. Her statement was that she knew more about flying the approach than this guy. She and I have watched many of those Youtube videos folks post about making the approach to Oshkosh. We're dreaming and hopefully will participate next year. She has already begun making notes on when not to arrive!
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Old 07-28-2018, 04:10 PM
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Yeah, that audio was posted a year ago.
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Old 07-28-2018, 04:41 PM
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That?s OK, it could just as easily been this year.
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Old 07-28-2018, 05:17 PM
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So this was my 13th year in a row and here's my take on this.

We arrived Sun around 3pm, circled in the hold for about 2 hrs before calling it quits. ATC was calling for a mile in trail and was turning everyone away, and I mean everyone, about every 5 minutes they would let some lucky guy thru and then it was back to "everyone turn left and fly west from Fisk, tower can't handle the traffic". Only heard them sending airplanes to runway 9, nobody to 36L/R. (friends later confirmed that on sunday 36 runway was a ghost town).

The same scenereo started all over again on Monday, no one in the line from Ripon the Fisk but Fisk controllers kept telling everyone that they should not proceed past Ripon and to circle the lakes which were already packed.

Finally I got tired of playing this game and was going to land, entered and Ripon, went to fisk and was cleared, in the meantime a 100 folks continued to circle the lakes.

IMO it was an ATC disaster, in 13 years of flying to osh I never heard such an incompetent bunch of ATC controllers.

I think the pilots did a great job of not killing each other while putting up with cluster F. created by ATC.
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Old 07-28-2018, 05:27 PM
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Walt, been doing this for about 15 year and I totally agree with your humble opinion!
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Old 07-28-2018, 06:17 PM
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On Sunday I was on the side of runway 9 watching & listening to ATC direct traffic. There was one controller that had done this many times before - and u could tell he really loved his job. He worked the landings for quite a while but had to take a brake sometime, and he was relieved by 2 less experienced controllers. One male and one female. Neither appeared to be able to keep the flow going as accertively as the veteran. At the time I thought it strange they would put a ?newbie? in this position. I did see the G4 go around twice due to slower planes in front of him. They were cunards as I recall. The special weather post here on VAF made my decision to arrive on Thursday an EZ one.
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Old 07-28-2018, 07:05 PM
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IMO it was an ATC disaster, in 13 years of flying to osh I never heard such an incompetent bunch of ATC controllers.
Well my wife ATC for something like 25 years with the last 20 at a rather busy class ?B? happens to agree with you. The last time we flew in together 2016 (Sunday) she was pointing out problems and said it was only going to get worse. Looks like as usual she was correct.
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Old 07-28-2018, 08:41 PM
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I've flown a HXB into OSH 31 times in the last 35 years. I arrived Monday, and after about 90 minutes of holding made it in. I'm used to the cluster $%^& that the Fisk arrival has become, but if your head is on a swivel and expect a few idiots to do something dumb it's been generally benign...until this year. I have never seen ATC handle the inbounds in the manner in which they did this year. I have a good friend (and homebuilder) who worked OSH every year for the last 25 years; I'm going to call him and find out what his take on the situation was.

This was the first time in 35 years I was truly concerned about my safety while approaching KOSH; unless something is different next year I won't be going.
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