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Old 07-17-2018, 11:14 PM
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Same old pre-Osh discussion, new year.

I do wish instead of

"Slower aircraft should use maximum
cruising speed. ATC recommends arrival
at Fisk 7:00-7:30 AM CDT, if practicable."

Would Amend to:

STRONGLY SUGGESTED slower aircraft that cannot maintain 90kts arrive at Fisk 7:00 -7:30AM CDT. ATC may authorize other aircraft to overtake you at any other times.

I have run into < 75kts airplanes 3/10 times in the arrival and 4/4 times in the Hold* Might say I have a dog in the hunt so I "do" think the NOTAM should be amended.

Comparing going around at your home airport to going back to Ripon after making it to the gravel pit is an Apples to Pumpkin comparison

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1. Thunderstorm
2. not letting any arrivals due to so many departures
3. same as 2
4. A-26 shut the airport for remainder of the day 2 years ago. We were sent to the hold before the "Sorry airport Closed" was announced
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Old 07-18-2018, 07:12 AM
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Just took a look at long term weather for a Saturday arrival, and noticed a recipe for trouble.

Right now, forecast winds for Saturday are NW in the AM, moving to NNW midday, then shifting to N in the afternoon, all at 11 to 13 mph.

It means ATC will probably be using 27. Arrivals will need to fly a tight right pattern. Think about the wind effect throughout the 180 from downwind to final.

Too many pilots don't practice right patterns. Now make it a close right pattern, with the wind pushing them wide, past the centerline, in the last 90 degrees of the turn. So they tighten up, pull a little harder, poke in some extra rudder, etc. And it's OSH; they're heavy.

A few years ago I watched an A36 pull into an accelerated stall right there, at maybe 150~200 feet. Bless his heart, he did all the right things...shoved the nose hard, got the wing more or less hooked up again, rolled level, pulled hard, and hit like a ton of bricks, 45 degrees to the runway, roughly on, alongside, or crossing Runway 23. We all heard the prop get curled on the concrete, but it didn't collapse the gear. I would not be surprised if the airplane was totaled after inspection, but his passengers all lived to tell about it.

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Old 07-18-2018, 02:54 PM
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Too many pilots don't practice right patterns. Now make it a close right pattern, with the wind pushing them wide, past the centerline, in the last 90 degrees of the turn. So they tighten up, pull a little harder, poke in some extra rudder, etc. And it's OSH; they're heavy.
Not only is 27 a tight right approach, but you're supposed to be descending mid-field, so you may be a little lower than you're accustomed to.

I'm planning on a late afternoon Saturday arrival, with what looks like winds from the north. Love that left base approach to 36L...though I'm not counting on it.
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Old 07-18-2018, 03:42 PM
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Just had my biannual flight review today. Focus was on all the things that make flying into Osh unique! Included slow flight, slow turns, tight right hand pattern landings, etc.

Every time I land on 27 I keep chanting to myself ?Nose down, coordinated, nose down, coordinated?.
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Old 07-19-2018, 10:15 AM
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Been practicing the arrival on X-Plane and found it really helpful. All the landmarks are there for the most part (Ripon, railrood, Fisk Ave, etc).

It has been a bit of an eye opener because as Dan and others suggest, some of the approaches are pretty tight and non-standard (descending mid-field) when flown per the NOTAM. The sim is just another way to get a feel for it before arriving at Ripon in the actual plane amid all the others.

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Old 07-19-2018, 10:41 AM
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I flew in for first time last year. Thought i had practiced everything but it got challenging on downwind. Right downwind for 27,notam says not to descend till midfield. Right before midfield i get told to turn base before the end of the runway. Had to dump in full flaps and dive in a slipping turn to make it. Not what i was expecting for my first time.
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Old 07-19-2018, 11:48 AM
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I flew in for first time last year. Thought i had practiced everything but it got challenging on downwind. Right downwind for 27,notam says not to descend till midfield. Right before midfield i get told to turn base before the end of the runway. Had to dump in full flaps and dive in a slipping turn to make it. Not what i was expecting for my first time.
There's just no way to practice every scenario, is there? I had the guy ahead of me freeze up on the runway one year and they had me go over him to the next dot. It wasn't that big of a deal but it felt pretty hectic at the time.
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Old 07-19-2018, 12:28 PM
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There's just no way to practice every scenario, is there? I had the guy ahead of me freeze up on the runway one year and they had me go over him to the next dot. It wasn't that big of a deal but it felt pretty hectic at the time.
Yeah, my personal philosophy regarding practice has been aimed at ensuring that, when things get interesting, the basic tasks of airmanship are second nature. I want to reserve my valuable brain cycles for the inevitable unexpected stuff.
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