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06-20-2018, 04:51 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Corpus Christi, TX
Posts: 55
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I've flown TONS of IFR approaches with little to no actual weather concerns. No ice, turbulence, windshear, or anything. Just cloudy or broken/overcast layers.
Sometimes its really nice to just have the IFR capability to fall onto when you need (want) to.
and, yes, typically speaking 'light' airplanes take turbulence a little more dramatically - but ALL RV's are light compared to what I usually fly
I think for the cost/weight of a IFR GPS, it adds an incredible layer of safety and capability to any aircraft.
Just my $0.02 
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Lumbering around in a King Air 90 wishing I was flying an RV 
Waiting to pull the trigger on an RV-14
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06-20-2018, 08:45 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Clearwater, Florida
Posts: 398
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Quote:
Originally Posted by NavyIBNFE
I've flown TONS of IFR approaches with little to no actual weather concerns. No ice, turbulence, windshear, or anything. Just cloudy or broken/overcast layers.
Sometimes its really nice to just have the IFR capability to fall onto when you need (want) to.
. . . and, yes, typically speaking 'light' airplanes take turbulence a little more dramatically - but ALL RV's are light compared to what I usually fly
I think for the cost/weight of a IFR GPS, it adds an incredible layer of safety and capability to any aircraft.
Just my $0.02 
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06-20-2018, 09:23 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Posts: 2,820
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The biggest drawback of an IFR GPS is the cost of the subscription for updates! If I was routinely flying weather I?d bite the bullet, but my Cherokee has a great ILS and VOR capability, and it can?t be justified for my RV-12 which is set up for day flying although I did put in a nice VOR/GS 3LMB as a hedge.
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06-20-2018, 09:40 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Brentwood, CA
Posts: 659
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Thanks for compliments.
The RV12 has a wing loading is light, but so is a 172, yet that?s a very common IFR trainer. The issue is less about wing loading and more about roll rate. The advantage of the RV12, really any RV, is that they are light on the controls with excellent roll rates, but it can admittedly work against you if you over control.
That aside, when you have a marine layer, turbulence is generally not a thing, with the whole point being the ability to find the runway hiding beneath the overcast.
Another thing that helps on my build, although minor, is that my fuel is out in my wings, vice loaded along the center line, which contributes to a more stable ride with the weight distributed.
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Ron Gawer
- RV10, Build in progress.
- RV12, N975G, "The Commuter"...many great hours and happy landings so far.
- Several others that are now just great memories for me.
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06-20-2018, 09:42 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Brentwood, CA
Posts: 659
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RFSchaller
The biggest drawback of an IFR GPS is the cost of the subscription for updates! If I was routinely flying weather I?d bite the bullet, but my Cherokee has a great ILS and VOR capability, and it can?t be justified for my RV-12 which is set up for day flying although I did put in a nice VOR/GS 3LMB as a hedge.
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I hear you.
I bought the Garmin PilotPak, which provides all database updates for my G3X PFD/MFD and GTN. It?s about $600 a year; not inexpensive, but noting that I fly daily, I think it?s worth it.
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Ron Gawer
- RV10, Build in progress.
- RV12, N975G, "The Commuter"...many great hours and happy landings so far.
- Several others that are now just great memories for me.
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06-20-2018, 10:12 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Corpus Christi, TX
Posts: 55
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Originally Posted by rongawer
I hear you.
I bought the Garmin PilotPak, which provides all database updates for my G3X PFD/MFD and GTN. It?s about $600 a year; not inexpensive, but noting that I fly daily, I think it?s worth it.
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Ron, do you use Garmin FliteCharts or paper/iPad approach plates?
I feel like I would use everything the OnePak offers, except the FliteCharts. I would much rather have them on my iPad. That could change, but I'm not used to them being stuck on the panel  thats $150 extra a year for something I might not really want/use. I think any OnePak also gets you a premium GarminPilot upgrade ($150 value), which has plates and then some...
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Jake Frantz
Constantly Moving...
Lumbering around in a King Air 90 wishing I was flying an RV 
Waiting to pull the trigger on an RV-14
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06-21-2018, 06:27 AM
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Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Brentwood, CA
Posts: 659
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Included with the Garmin PilotPak subscription is the IFR premium package for Garmin Pilot that I use on my iPhone or iPad at no additional cost, so I do have Flitecharts on both handheld devices, one for use and the other for backup.
The PilotPak is Garmin’s bundled package, whereas OnePak is Jeppessen’s data package for Garmin devices.
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Ron Gawer
- RV10, Build in progress.
- RV12, N975G, "The Commuter"...many great hours and happy landings so far.
- Several others that are now just great memories for me.
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06-21-2018, 07:22 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Tampa, FL
Posts: 2,861
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Garmin Database Pricing...
FYI, unless you have 2 or more certified Garmin boxes (eg 2 GTN 650s, a 650 & a 750, etc) it's cheaper to go with just a regular G3X/GTN database bundle vs the Onepak or PilotPak. Even though the GarminPilot premium upgrade isn't included in the bundles, after adding it as a separate item the bundles are still cheaper than the paks. If you don't use GarminPilot then you aren't paying for an upgrade that's of no use.
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06-27-2018, 12:49 AM
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Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: North Brunswick, NJ
Posts: 165
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Driftdown
The operative term is "conditions."
Nobody is questioning the prohibition of operating under "IFR conditions."
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Perhaps ASTM F2245-16c has different language than the older F2245-11? The FAA mandated the newer -16c version as of October 2017.. (see FAA NOA-17-01). I don't have a copy of it, nor do I want to pay $ to see it.
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07-04-2018, 11:19 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Santa Monica, California
Posts: 139
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rcarsey
Perhaps ASTM F2245-16c has different language than the older F2245-11? The FAA mandated the newer -16c version as of October 2017.. (see FAA NOA-17-01). I don't have a copy of it, nor do I want to pay $ to see it.
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Does anyone have a copy of the 16c standard? I can’t find it online, without paying for it.
I also haven’t been able to find the FAA order that requires compliance with version 16c. Earlier versions required compliance with a plane’s POH, but did not itself prohibit flight in IMC.
As an aside, how can Americans be required to comply with a law that’s not available to be read unless it’s paid for?
Last edited by lon@carolon.net : 07-08-2018 at 10:02 AM.
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