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06-01-2018, 06:53 AM
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Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Enon Valley
Posts: 189
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ferry and TR training
I highly recommend Jesse Saint up near Ocala (X35) Give him a call. You will be miles, hours and dollars ahead with the plane near home to do your training in at your convenience.
Jesse Saint (Saint Aviation, Inc. - VAF Advertiser)
352-427-0285
jesse@saintaviation.com
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Dewey Clawson
Super Sabre Society
2012 RV10; 1993 RV6A; 1947 Cessna 140, in progress
2019 dues exempt but paid anyhow
F100, A7D, A10, F16,
Fokker, Boeing, McDonnell-Douglas
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06-01-2018, 09:51 AM
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Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Tampa, FL
Posts: 153
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Thanks for the warm welcome and suggestions.
Follow up question: Any recommendations on where to start with insurance given a low-time pilot will be listed ? (Was insured previously by Britt/Paulk via Falcon/EAA with the CFII test pilot for Phase I listed, but that coverage has lapsed).
A few responses to your comments ...
David - I am actually very interested in doing some real flight testing/data analysis/data reduction to understand the performance of this particular RV - after transition training. While the original Phase I did the "recommended" stuff and resulted in a reasonable POH, there are lots more interesting things to explore. Acro training will be down the road ...
Mike - yes a *through* inspection is the goal. Good points re: rubber bits, and yes, the tanks were sloshed (w/ Pro-seal I believe).
Mike, Robert - I met Jan at Sun n Fun this year, and am planning a pilgrimage to Okeechobee for at least the ab initio transition training. The 4 hour drive is a little off-putting, but a lot can be done in a couple of days with a good weather window. Still would be great to have a local CFI willing to work with me on recurrent training...
I have also now had several recommendations for both Vic and Jesse for inspections. Anyone of that caliber closer to Houston ?
Dave - 3rd class medical not required for Gliders, but done anyway. No issues for now.
Robert - While the ferry flight (perhaps with an instructor) would be fun, I think I will be driving a mini-van with the tools, jigs, documentation, "extra parts", etc accumulated during construction back to Florida.
Peter
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06-01-2018, 09:56 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Roseville, CA
Posts: 19
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Training
Hi Peter-
Congrats on getting back on the horse, aviation-wise. It sounds like you’re approaching this in the right way, and I see a lot of good advice in the other replies here. I’d like to second that of flyinhood regarding training in a different aircraft for tailwheel proficiency. I’ll tell you my story to illustrate:
I bought my first airplane back in November. I had been looking for one for about a year at that point, and when the “right” plane came along, it was an RV-6. I am an airline pilot, and I live more than 100 miles from my base, SFO, and had gotten exhausted with that drive occasionally taking over four hours. So I wanted to try flying to work, as a couple other guys I know do. The RV seemed the perfect blend of speed and fuel efficiency. And yeah, the tailwheel is sexy.
I figured this would be no big deal for me. I retired from the Air Force about 4 years ago. I flew the U-2, which in addition to being a challenging airplane overall, happens to also be a taildragger. I assumed my years in the “Dragonlady” would make flying a small tailwheel airplane a snap. Wrong. Turns out very little of that translated. My plan had been to get my airplane home from where it was in Florida, do a few hours of training with a buddy who also has an RV-6 and is a CFI, and be off to the races.
Before picking my airplane up, I went with my buddy and spent about an hour in the pattern in his plane. It was not pretty. I think at that point both of us wondered if perhaps other training wasn’t a better idea. But, we chalked it up to “first time jitters.” I flew out to Florida in November to pick up the airplane. My buddy met me, and we headed back. I had done a couple of OK tailwheel landings with the previous owner, and so my confidence was a bit higher. At the end of the first day, just after dark, I opted to do the landing into Phoenix. I flared high, and the airplane dropped to the runway from somewhere around 5 feet. We gave it a quick look the next morning, and it looked fine with the fairings on. We finished the last two legs and got it home to California.
But after it had been back for a few days, a couple of people had recommended I take the fairings off and get a good look at the gear legs. I’m glad they did.
The bad news: I had to replace the gear legs, which had both bent slightly. They cost ~$275 each. My airplane was in the hangar until March.
The good news: The engine mount and all other components were fine. Had them inspected by the local A&P. That was lucky. I also got to learn how to replace landing gear legs in my airplane, along with many other things associated with that task. I also got a huge amount of help from my new friends in the aviation community at my airport.
That’s a lot more good news than bad, right? Still, I don’t recommend the experience. The landing gear on your airplane is not designed for the abuse that comes with training. I am pretty sure Mr Van assumed his airplanes were going to be flown by people who knew what they were doing. I highly recommend finding an instructor and airplane that are up to the task, rather than putting your airplane at risk. I know because I tried and failed.
Hope the advice helps. Sorry that I tend to tell long stories. Best of luck with everything!
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Keith
RV-6 N91CN
KLHM, CA
Dues Paid
Last edited by MountainU2 : 06-01-2018 at 10:02 AM.
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06-01-2018, 10:10 AM
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Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Tampa area,FL
Posts: 118
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Peter,
I live in Zephyrhills and have an RV-6 myself, and am also a member of the local soaring club. I will speak up for Jesse Saint and Saint Aviation up the road in Dunellon. I have known him for a few years now and he has been very helpful regarding maintenance and upgrades on my airplane, and he is a few minute flight from Tampa so you would have a RV knowledgable shop very close by. I am a CFI and have done RV transition training, I just don't know if I have the time to do full transition training, but if you need help getting yours back after it is flying again, we could probably figure something out and I could help you get up to speed in your airplane. Let me know if I can help out.
Matt Laseter
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KZPH-Zephyrhills, FL
RV6 sold
RV6 sold
RV3 sold
2020 dues gladly paid!
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06-01-2018, 10:44 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: torrance, ca
Posts: 650
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not just rusty pilot
One thing I'd be concerned about is camshaft condition on that -6A. Doing ground run-ups only for several years means the oil never got hot enough to get rid of the moisture in the crankcase and could have done more harm than good. I'd fly it for a few hours and change oil and get the oil analyzed and cut open the filter. Chances are everything is good, considering it's lived its life in TX, but better to inspect first.
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06-01-2018, 04:41 PM
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Join Date: May 2005
Location: Boston, MA
Posts: 452
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Peter, my story was similar to yours; PPL in 1989 when I was 24, then job moves around the country, family and 3 kids in private colleges grounded my aviation dreams with the exception of an hour or two per year with friends. 3 years ago I started back up in a Citabria and last year I purchased an -8 when I concluded that I didn't want to wait to complete mine before flying more.
Regarding insurance, call Leah Ringeisen with Gallagher Aviation Insurance at 877-520-6247. They insure lots of RV's. I had pretty low time, but most of it was in TW's, so they only required one hour of transition training. I ended up with 2 hours in a -6 and 2 hours in an 8. It was worth it.
There are lots of resources around 52F that helped me out immensely with inspections, ferrying and transition training and they could probably help you too.
-Brian
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Brian J.
Boston, MA
RV8 Based at ORH - Purchased
RV8 - The Project #83313 - Under Construction
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06-01-2018, 07:11 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Livermore, CA
Posts: 6,797
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+1 on Gallagher.
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06-02-2018, 08:33 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: Sugar Land, TX
Posts: 406
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I haven't talked to Gallagher but they seem to have a very good reputation on this website. I switched my Grumman insurance to the EAA sponsored insurance company Falcon Insurance last year after talking to several companies about their requirements for the RV-10 that I am building. They had the most reasonable requirements regarding total hours and specific training, and their rate for my Grumman was less than half of what Avemco was charging me for the same coverage.
After talking to Avemco about the RV-10, I knew I would need to change insurance companies. They wanted a minimum of 25 hrs in a complex aircraft (they suggested a Piper Arrow) and 250 hrs total PIC! When I questioned the reason for the complex aircraft, their reasoning was that while the RV-10 isn't retractable, it has a high rate of climb and is fast, so they believe it is similar to an RV! Crazy, right?
Glad you have take care of getting your 3rd class medical renewed. Now you can switch to the Basic Med program in the future so long as you don't intend to fly outside the USA.
Enjoy the journey to making your father's RV your primary aircraft,
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Dave Macdonald
RV-10 First Flight April 1, 2020.  Currently in Phase 1
2020 VAF Dues Paid
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06-02-2018, 08:26 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: Perry GA
Posts: 27
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+1 for Dave?s rec for Vic Syracuse, Base Leg Aviation. Very very knowledgeable. It will be a good investment...
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Hutch
David W. Hutchinson
NAAA/PAAO Certified Aircraft Appraiser (Nationwide)
Perry, GA.
RV-10/N433DH (Res)
www.TwoEaglesAviation.com
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06-03-2018, 07:02 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Trenton, SC
Posts: 173
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I can also highly recommend Leah Ringeisen with Gallagher Aviation Insurance
at 877-520-6247 for the insurance. My 6A with just a little over 100 hours time
runs about $1000/year. I can also HIGHLY recommend Jesse Saint not only for
inspections and upgrades but also for ferrying the plane to Tampa. He ferried
my plane from Texas to South Carolina and was VERY reasonable.
Welcome back to the sky!!
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Gene Mohr
Ret. US Army
RV6A (purchased), O360, Hartzell C/S prop
Trenton, SC (S17 homebase)
Happily Donated
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