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05-03-2018, 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by edneff
I was told by an A&P, although I have not confirmed it, that you should include your airman certificate number and signature with the logbook entry...
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I believe the A&P was referring to FAR 43.9
https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-id...43_19&rgn=div8
Which requires, among other things, signature, certicate number and certificate type of the individual completing, or supervising, the work.
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05-03-2018, 02:08 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sahrens
....Which requires, among other things, signature, certicate number and certificate type of the individual completing, or supervising, the work.
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Owners are allowed to do some work on their certified airplanes, regardless of whether they are pilots or licensed mechanics, I believe. So they would not have a certificate number or type.
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05-03-2018, 02:22 PM
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David,
Since the owner performing the maintenance must have a PPL or greater:
John Doe, PPL 1234567
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05-03-2018, 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by sahrens
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Except FAR43.1(b) says This part does not apply to any aircraft for which the FAA has issued an experimental certificate, unless the FAA has previously issued a different kind of airworthiness certificate for that aircraft.
So nothing in part 43 applies to experimentals (including how you must make a maint log entry), but the FAA still seems to use it as a standard/guide to follow regardless. All of the FAA guys in my area recommend signature and pilot cert. # (or repairman's cert. if you have it) for all maint. entries.
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Originally Posted by flyinga
Since the owner performing the maintenance must have a PPL or greater:
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There is no requirement for this either.
Same reason.
Part 43 doesn't apply.
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05-03-2018, 04:01 PM
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Yep, I was speaking to certified planes.
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05-03-2018, 04:51 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rvbuilder2002
Except FAR43.1(b) says This part does not apply to any aircraft for which the FAA has issued an experimental certificate, unless the FAA has previously issued a different kind of airworthiness certificate for that aircraft.
So nothing in part 43 applies to experimentals (including how you must make a maint log entry), but the FAA still seems to use it as a standard/guide to follow regardless. All of the FAA guys in my area recommend signature and pilot cert. # (or repairman's cert. if you have it) for all maint. entries.
There is no requirement for this either.
Same reason.
Part 43 doesn't apply.
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But we are not exempt from Part 91 are we?
https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/91.417
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05-03-2018, 05:30 PM
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Well, my post was to provide a reference where I believed the A&P may have determined the signature requirement.
As posted Part 91 applies as 91.411 and 91.413 may apply to your aircraft. Certainly 91.417 seems to apply as it requires all registered owners and operators to maintain records and within those records the signature and certificate number for all maintenance entries.
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05-03-2018, 08:33 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by David Paule
Owners are allowed to do some work on their certified airplanes, regardless of whether they are pilots or licensed mechanics, I believe. So they would not have a certificate number or type.
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Actually they do - a pilot certificate. That?s the answer they give you in A&P school, and that is what the owner doing one of the allowed maintenance tasks should put in the logbook. If they don?t have one? Well....then they don?t have anything to enter.
Paul
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05-03-2018, 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by az_gila
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No, but the post that I quoted wasn?t referring to part 91 was it?
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05-03-2018, 10:35 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rvbuilder2002
No, but the post that I quoted wasn’t referring to part 91 was it?
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Maybe, but we have to do the same thing anyway, regardless of which section it's from -
Part 91 bit --- (iii) The signature, and certificate number of the person approving the aircraft for return to service.
And the entire thread is about what goes in the logbook...
You said "but the FAA still seems to use it [part 43] as a standard/guide to follow regardless" Perhaps the FAA is really using Part 91 which is applicable... 
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Last edited by az_gila : 05-03-2018 at 10:38 PM.
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