ADS-B Costs

[David Paule]

The complete installation and electronics for an L-3 Lynx 9000+, with one of the options plus a new encoder, cost about $6,700 in a certified plane. The shop removed an ancient transponder and encoder for this. It was in the busy shop for about a week.

It was about the most expensive of the alternatives at the time, which the owner regrets. It has in and out, and gives clear information via wi-fi on both WingX and Foreflight, as well as its own screens. Its screens, by the way, are absolutely superb.

I've flown it and it is, indeed, a nice system, if you need ADS-B. Whether it's worth all that, who knows.

Just another data point.

Dave

[Tim-NJ]

Originally Posted by David Paule

It was about the most expensive of the alternatives at the time, which the owner regrets. It has in and out, and gives clear information via wi-fi on both WingX and Foreflight, as well as its own screens. Its screens, by the way, are absolutely superb.

Dave - just to confirm my understanding, the owner was regretful over the cost and not the system itself.

[pa38112]

Just my opinion, but timing is everything. If you sell right now - $4,000 - $6,000. I believe next spring we are going to see the market flooded with planes as people realize that they will not be able to fly without a $5,000 - $7,000 upgrade and that it is not justified for many of them. I am predicting a huge drop in market value as all of these planes flood the market before the 2020 deadline. I think it will be more of a certified than experimental issue, but when that market value drops, so will the experimentals.

[Jesse]

As I already posted, the Stratus ES(G) transponder for ADS-B Out costs $2,800-3,000 in my shop, and we get the plane in and out in one day. This usually replaced a KT-76A transponder (that is older than I am), but occasionally it replaced a Garmin or a Narco. It is a very easy install and very reasonably priced. Extremely easy to program as well. That is a lot of money, but not the $4-7,000 quoted here.

ADS-B In can be extremely cheap or it can be very expensive, from the Scout or Stratux up to the GTX-345 or Lynx system. Where the customer wants to view the information is the deciding factor of the cost.

[airguy]

Certified 172R is going in the shop in 2 weeks for the Stratus ESG with 2i box, total $5500 installed.

Just a datapoint. We do have it good in the experimental world, I expect to see much wailing and gnashing of the teeth in the certified world as we get closer to the compliance date.

[Jesse]

Originally Posted by airguy

Certified 172R is going in the shop in 2 weeks for the Stratus ESG with 2i box, total $5500 installed.

Just a datapoint. We do have it good in the experimental world, I expect to see much wailing and gnashing of the teeth in the certified world as we get closer to the compliance date.

Sounds like you're going to the wrong shop. I just quoted $3,600 installed in this thread.

[airguy]

Originally Posted by Jesse

Sounds like you're going to the wrong shop. I just quoted $3,600 installed in this thread.

Perhaps so - not my airplane, not my decision.

[David Paule]

Originally Posted by Tim-NJ

Dave - just to confirm my understanding, the owner was regretful over the cost and not the system itself.

Exactly right. Good clarification, thanks for that.

Dave

[Walt]

Originally Posted by David Paule

Exactly right. Good clarification, thanks for that.

Dave

I've installed a about a half dozen NGT-9000's, a little pricey but super nice unit and even thought the screen is small its really good. If you want to install it yourself (EAB only) I can supply one to you if interested.

[Rallylancer122]

A few years back and coworker and I came up with the "10% Rule". Basically for aircraft mods/parts that are non performance enhancing and non scheduled, owners will cough up to approximately 10% of the value of the plane before they cry uncle. This doesn't apply to things like a GPS upgrade because that enhances performance, and the owner can do it at his leisure. It applies to things like sudden AD's. In the case of ADS-B, for just an In installation the owner really get's nothing out of it other than compliance, and they are being forced to do it on the gov't timeline, not their own. Hence it's subject to the rule.

So when ADS-B installs were $5-6k, that meant airplanes worth less than $50k were likely to get parked or sold. With the installs down in the $2-3k range, that brings that value threshold down into the $20k range, which covers most of the fleet. I would expect to see some old, high time 150's, Musketeers, Chiefs, etc.... get dumped due to the mandate, but most planes will make the cut.

When buying or selling I would expect the price of plane to ultimately be discounted around 50% of the ADS-B cost. A savvy buyer will immediately discount the full install price in his offer for the plane, and a good salesman will likely be able negotiate about half of that back.

DEM