BFR in an RV that's not really transition training?

[OkieDave]

Originally Posted by BobTurner

They're kept on file at the issuing FSDO. If you know which one that is, I imagine they'd send you a copy (for a fee, no doubt). But why not just ask the owner of the airplane to see it, if you're contemplating renting his EAB? I'm always amazed that pilots who have never met me, seldom ask to see my cfi certificate. I could be some nut who just walked in off the street (some probably say I am - ). I take no offense at being asked to show someone my certificate.

Shoot, if you want to see mine, I'll bring it home next time I'm at the hangar (it stays in the plane, with the OpLimits); I'll scan it and send you a copy. As I recall there's like half a dozen pages!

What he said. My first interaction with a FSDO was turning in a boss and instructor for not being a CFI. FAA yanked his license. Google the name Hal Harris; the NTSB has some public-facing docs about it.

[RFazio]

All this talk of LODI and renting RVs. I have a question. If I own an RV and want training in MY RV, is it legal to pay a CFI to train me in it?

[Auburntsts]

Originally Posted by RFazio

All this talk of LODI and renting RVs. I have a question. If I own an RV and want training in MY RV, is it legal to pay a CFI to train me in it?

Absolutely! This happens all the time.

[catmandu]

Originally Posted by RFazio

All this talk of LODI and renting RVs. I have a question. If I own an RV and want training in MY RV, is it legal to pay a CFI to train me in it?

What Todd said.

[DonFromTX]

I believe I got scammed by someone, and i doubt he would show it to me for that reason. Trying to get in the back door. I will try your suggestion, thanks.

Originally Posted by BobTurner

They're kept on file at the issuing FSDO. If you know which one that is, I imagine they'd send you a copy (for a fee, no doubt). But why not just ask the owner of the airplane to see it, if you're contemplating renting his EAB? I'm always amazed that pilots who have never met me, seldom ask to see my cfi certificate. I could be some nut who just walked in off the street (some probably say I am - ). I take no offense at being asked to show someone my certificate.

Shoot, if you want to see mine, I'll bring it home next time I'm at the hangar (it stays in the plane, with the OpLimits); I'll scan it and send you a copy. As I recall there's like half a dozen pages!

[John Owen]

It is interesting how relatively few of the LODAs on this list are RVs with the number of RVs that are flying. The guy who did my transition training is on the list but no one else is close to KC. I was very fortunate to get to fly with him a few years ago.

John
RV-8

[BobTurner]

Originally Posted by John Owen

It is interesting how relatively few of the LODAs on this list are RVs with the number of RVs that are flying. The guy who did my transition training is on the list but no one else is close to KC. I was very fortunate to get to fly with him a few years ago.

John
RV-8

And, some (like myself) who have a LODA are not actively using it. Reason: the cost of insuring the airplane and myself for "dual given" exceeds the income, since I am restricted to transition training only. IMHO the very same insurance companies that demand training-before-insuring are the same ones who charge outrageous extra premiums for those doing this training. (The real issue is that no one is set up to insure 10 to 20 hours of dual a year. The policies are written for FBOs.)
BTW, ANYONE who owns an RV may apply for the LODA. You do not need to be a CFI (but the application asks for a list of CFIs who will be allowed to rent your airplane).

[dmaib]

I'm late to this conversation, but my LODA has the same restrictions that Bob Turner mentions. Transition training only. No Flight Reviews, Instrument Proficiency, High Performance endorsement, etc. I am also no longer providing transition training in my airplane due to the insurance costs that Bob mentions.

[JimS]

So a CFI RV owner can give instruction in his plane without a LODA if they don't charge for the use of the airplane. I believe they can charge for their time though. How much could they realistically charge per hour seeing that auto mechanics commonly charge $100 per hour? I would think $60-$100 per hour would not be unreasonable.

[BobTurner]

Originally Posted by JimS

So a CFI RV owner can give instruction in his plane without a LODA if they don't charge for the use of the airplane. I believe they can charge for their time though. How much could they realistically charge per hour seeing that auto mechanics commonly charge $100 per hour? I would think $60-$100 per hour would not be unreasonable.

The rulings that come out of courts often surprise me. But in this case, my opinion is that the FAA lawyers would rip this arguement to shreds. The airplane is being used to generate compensation for its owner, the cfi. Now, if you separate the two - you have an owner, not the cfi, who will genuinely let you borrow his plane for free - then you can legally pay the cfi. Same as if you are the owner.
BTW, actual cost numbers from when I was doing transition training in my -10: gas, $50/hr; insurance (just extra cost for giving dual), $400 per person (or $80/hr if 5 hours were needed); wear and tear on brakes, tires, ....??. So you see that your suggested ?rate? doesn?t come close to covering costs.