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Old 03-14-2018, 01:23 PM
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Todd,

I bought the Anti-Splat gust lock a few months ago and I simply cannot get it to work. Do you happen to have any photos of your installation? I have talked to Alan a couple of times but can't get it to work. No matter where I put the device on the stick, a simple pull back on the stick pulls the forks off of the rudder pedals. I have followed the instructions carefully, but I must be doing something wrong. I believe there is another -10 owner in the Ocala, FL area that has the same problem. I'd appreciate any insights you or anybody else might have.
Please pardon the thread drift. PM or email would be fine for anyone that has info for me.
Absolutely. I don't have any pics but I'm going out to the hangar tomorrow and will take some. Note that the lock won't immobilize the stick nor keep the lock on the pedals if you pull the stick back like you describe. However, when properly installed, it effectively dampens all the control surfaces. I've used it in gusts up to 30kts multiple times (T-storms) and it has never come off the pedals on its own.
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Old 03-14-2018, 07:23 PM
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Todd,

I bought the Anti-Splat gust lock a few months ago and I simply cannot get it to work. Do you happen to have any photos of your installation? I have talked to Alan a couple of times but can't get it to work. No matter where I put the device on the stick, a simple pull back on the stick pulls the forks off of the rudder pedals. I have followed the instructions carefully, but I must be doing something wrong. I believe there is another -10 owner in the Ocala, FL area that has the same problem. I'd appreciate any insights you or anybody else might have.
Please pardon the thread drift. PM or email would be fine for anyone that has info for me.
Todd, I bought one of these for my buddy's RV-10 since he's been letting me fly it. Took a bit to get it figured out but here's what I did.

I made the gust lock as short as possible and locked it straight. Then I held it on the pedals and put the control stick just to the side of it, to try and gauge where to position the neck piece. It took a bit, but not too long, maybe 10 mins.

Then I took the gust lock off the pedals and folded it so I could then just get the control stick side actually on the stick and pinned. I may have had to readjust it too. After that I just put the other end on the pedals, used that hang down part to step on it and push it straight and slid that locking piece.
Walla.

After using it a few times my lessons learned are that you need to attach it to the control stick first and then the pedals. Also you need it long enough that it's pushing the stick back and with pressure on the pedals. Sounds like you have it too short if you can pull the stick back and it falls off the pedals.
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Old 03-14-2018, 08:34 PM
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Todd, I bought one of these for my buddy's RV-10 since he's been letting me fly it. Took a bit to get it figured out but here's what I did.

I made the gust lock as short as possible and locked it straight. Then I held it on the pedals and put the control stick just to the side of it, to try and gauge where to position the neck piece. It took a bit, but not too long, maybe 10 mins.

Then I took the gust lock off the pedals and folded it so I could then just get the control stick side actually on the stick and pinned. I may have had to readjust it too. After that I just put the other end on the pedals, used that hang down part to step on it and push it straight and slid that locking piece.
Walla.

After using it a few times my lessons learned are that you need to attach it to the control stick first and then the pedals. Also you need it long enough that it's pushing the stick back and with pressure on the pedals. Sounds like you have it too short if you can pull the stick back and it falls off the pedals.
I'm still missing something here. (I did not sleep in a Holiday Inn Express last night). If I have it locked in place, I can still pull the stick back, which pulls the forks off the pedals. Correct? That also means if I walk to the back of the airplane and push the elevator up, the forks will pull off the pedals. Correct? If that is true, then a gust could lift the elevator and pull the forks off the pedals. No? The only way I could see this really locking the controls is if it was long enough to have the stick back against the aft stop and then have the device locked to the stick and the pedals with the tension on it. I know there are enough people using this device that I've just got to be missing a crucial part of the picture here.
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Old 03-14-2018, 10:28 PM
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Myron, which bracket did you use for the YD? Garmin want like $750 just for the mount...
I used the Van’s bracket. It is actually listed as an RV14 accessory, but it works fine. The only difference is that the aft holes that mount to the tunnel flanges are about 3/16 narrower. There are previous threads with pix. Elongating one hole made it work fine. The rest of the install kit came from Dynon. Combined they were pretty expensive but not nearly Garmin prices. I’m not around my invoice book, but it was like half that combined as I recall.

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Ok. I looked up the prices. Van’s sells the bracket for either Dynon or Garmin for $160
Dynon’s install kit (bell crank, bow, stub cables, hardware) sells for $150
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Old 03-15-2018, 05:44 AM
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I'm still missing something here. (I did not sleep in a Holiday Inn Express last night). If I have it locked in place, I can still pull the stick back, which pulls the forks off the pedals. Correct? That also means if I walk to the back of the airplane and push the elevator up, the forks will pull off the pedals. Correct? If that is true, then a gust could lift the elevator and pull the forks off the pedals. No? The only way I could see this really locking the controls is if it was long enough to have the stick back against the aft stop and then have the device locked to the stick and the pedals with the tension on it. I know there are enough people using this device that I've just got to be missing a crucial part of the picture here.
As I posted above, I've never had that happen. Theoretically what you describe could happen, but in my experience the weight of the elevators and the friction of the system and the resistance of the gust lock prevent that from happening.
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Old 03-15-2018, 05:57 AM
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Todd, I bought one of these for my buddy's RV-10 since he's been letting me fly it. Took a bit to get it figured out but here's what I did.

I made the gust lock as short as possible and locked it straight. Then I held it on the pedals and put the control stick just to the side of it, to try and gauge where to position the neck piece. It took a bit, but not too long, maybe 10 mins.

Then I took the gust lock off the pedals and folded it so I could then just get the control stick side actually on the stick and pinned. I may have had to readjust it too. After that I just put the other end on the pedals, used that hang down part to step on it and push it straight and slid that locking piece.
Walla.

After using it a few times my lessons learned are that you need to attach it to the control stick first and then the pedals. Also you need it long enough that it's pushing the stick back and with pressure on the pedals. Sounds like you have it too short if you can pull the stick back and it falls off the pedals.
I marked the shaft at a point that aligns the holes where I feel the lock works best for me -- I'll confirm but it's like the 3rd hole from the end meaning that the lock is a few holes from it's max extension when installed. My install method is to:
1. Put both feet on the pedals to center them up
2. Unfold and slide the retaining collar into place
3. Place pedal end on the pedals
4. Extend the gust lock's shaft to the mark on the shaft and pin
5. Pin the other end of the shaft to the stick at the stick fitting.

When the lock is installed in my configuration, the elevators are slight nose up and the rudder and ailerons are neutral. All of this sounds way more complicated than it really is in practice. Bottom line is I couldn't be happier with the lock's performance in some really nasty, sustained winds.
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Old 03-15-2018, 09:53 AM
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David, I know you want to fix what you have. But if you can?t make it work, the very slightly modified Bogart tow bar works fine as a gust lock in the -10.
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Old 03-15-2018, 12:18 PM
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David, I know you want to fix what you have. But if you can?t make it work, the very slightly modified Bogart tow bar works fine as a gust lock in the -10.
So does about $10 of parts from the Home Depot Aviation aisle. Over five years of flying and it's still working great. I don't have a photo available online at the moment.

Cut about a quarter off a pvc t-joint and it slips over my rudder pedals just fine. I don't have the stock pedals. A similar t-joint rests on the seat base. The velco secures the stick to the pvc.
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Old 03-15-2018, 08:18 PM
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So does about $10 of parts from the Home Depot Aviation aisle. Over five years of flying and it's still working great. I don't have a photo available online at the moment.

Cut about a quarter off a pvc t-joint and it slips over my rudder pedals just fine. I don't have the stock pedals. A similar t-joint rests on the seat base. The velco secures the stick to the pvc.
Tim Olson has two very good write ups using an adjustable paint roller stick with a few ABS parts to create a very strong, OSH worthy control lock.
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Here is what I have been using for 6 plus years and 700 hours. All it requires is a pin at the rear, consisting of a #8 screw and castle nut to hold the rear from moving. It works on an over-center lever to hold itself in place. $15 worth of parts from the aviation section of home depot.

[IMG]IMG_2857 by Bill Peyton, on Flickr[/IMG]

[IMG]IMG_2858 by Bill Peyton, on Flickr[/IMG]
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[IMG]IMG_2852 by Bill Peyton, on Flickr[/IMG]
[IMG]IMG_2856 by Bill Peyton, on Flickr[/IMG]
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