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Old 03-01-2018, 02:54 PM
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Very Canada specific question here. I've just received my final inspection paperwork which enables me to apply for my registration with Transport Canada. With that application I need to submit 2 pictures, the first one with the data plate - no problem there, the second is described as

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3/4 side view photo of the completed aircraft showing registration marks affixed.
I have 2 questions that I've asked MD-RA that maybe someone here has run into before.
  1. How completed does the aircraft need to be? Right now I don't have my cowling, wing root fairings or empennage fairings on. My front top skin isn't riveted on and my canopy isn't on. How many of those things are going to be needed to be completed before taking the picture? I want to get my application off at the earliest possible time so I'm not sitting around ready and waiting for that registration.
  2. I used the provision for smaller fuselage letters with the large under wing letters. Do I need to send in a picture of the under wing letters?

Thanks for any experiences my fellow Canadians may have.
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Old 03-01-2018, 03:16 PM
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Send it in now, ASAP. It can take a few months. In your email subject line specify “aircraft registration”. The person in charge does not read emails that do not have specific subject lines. 20 years ago registration took a long time, then it got a lot better. It seems we are now back in the bureaucracy era. Expect four or five months, unless you make a spelling mistake, then it could be longer.
Send under wing pics as well
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Old 03-02-2018, 07:41 AM
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My RV-8 was no where near ready to fly, but I just put all of the pieces on and, in some places, used duct tape and/or hockey tape to hold them in some semblance of flying condition. I took the picture, then took it apart and carried on.
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Old 03-02-2018, 07:57 AM
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1. I'm fairly certain it is supposed to be a picture of the completed (ie. flyable) aircraft. If you can make it look like that, then go to it... But if your canopy isn't fitted yet and skins aren't riveted, they won't be happy with a photo of skins cleco'd in place.

2. No. Don't send them more than they've asked for. They want a side 3/4 view of the aircraft, send them a side 3/4 view of the aircraft. They will assume if your letters are on the tail that you have letters under the wing as required... Your MD-RA inspector is supposed to check that.
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Old 03-02-2018, 08:09 AM
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Rob - I don't wish to sound argumentative, however my recent experience (2017) through the Ontario regional office in Toronto provided evidence that the aircraft does not have to be complete.

In our case the engine cowl wasn't in place, nor the windshield. Importantly, on our aircraft the horizontal stabilizer is removable. The photos I provided with the C of R application showed the horizontal stabilizer missing from the airplane.

The intention of the photos is to reflect the location of the registration marks and to provide sufficient visual references to allow an approximate scaling of the registration marks to ensure they are at least close to the required size and of the appropriate font.

Agree totally with not providing more info than needed and that MD-RA will inspect the registration marks in detail for conformity to the regulations.
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Old 03-02-2018, 09:12 AM
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Thanks for the feedback guys. I threw on the bottom cowling, the canopy, the empennage fairing and clecoed on the top skin and took the requisite pictures. I just emailed the whole package in, we'll see how it goes. I sure hope it isn't 4 months...
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Old 03-02-2018, 09:36 AM
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When I was waiting for mine we were having threats of a postal strike. TC was on the ball that day, after waiting probably a month for it to be delivered (called to ask my cue)I called again to see what was the hold up. They were holding it for me because the Postal service might go on strike. One would think they could have called and asked how I wanted to deal with it. I live in Nova Scotia , their office for registry is down town Vancouver and I told the lady to hold on a bit longer as I would be picking it up in person. She never even asked why (did not have a care in the world) and I did not tell her. I was headed for transition training in Oregon and thought I would drive up to BC to visit my niece if I had time.
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Old 03-03-2018, 12:34 AM
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I think I missed something here, but how can you submit photos with "showing registration marks affixed" when you are applying for the registration?
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Old 03-03-2018, 05:22 AM
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You can apply for your registration marks and reserve them in Canada before registration.
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Old 03-04-2018, 09:05 AM
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Rob - I don't wish to sound argumentative, however my recent experience (2017) through the Ontario regional office in Toronto provided evidence that the aircraft does not have to be complete.
There seems to be much inconsistency in the system in Canada.

I also completed my 7 last year and dealt with the Toronto office. I was told the aircraft was to be complete with registration marks and data plate installed for the photo. I put everything in place that would be visible from the 3/4 angle, taped on cardboard marks and took the photo. I then continued working on the plane. The MDRA final inspection notice was also required for the C of R application as well as the BOS. TC has a standard of 60 working days (on their website) in which to reply. I called after a month to see where I was in the cue and was laughed at before being told I was a long ways down the line. She would not give me an estimate. Two weeks later my reg arrived in the mail.

My MDRA inspector didn't pay too much attention to the marks, only enough to see they were there. No measurements or checking the angle. He was an AME and did a thorough inspection and runup with lots of attention to the paperwork...fuel flow, w&b, C of A, log book entries....

Good luck with yours!
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