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02-18-2018, 01:54 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: Perry GA
Posts: 27
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New Start
After 30 years of lurking, dreaming and drooling, Ive finally retired from one of my two jobs (USAFRes), have kids out of the house (ish), and finished a knashing due dilliegence process. Results - final decision made to build an RV-10 using both QB kits available. I have lots of concerns about skills and ability and problem solving. Not so much about motivation. Many things I have succeeded at in life were due to the fact that I just refused defeat - hopefully that will carry me through this. Kit purchase is in progress. I do have a couple of questions I could use some guidance on...
1) Tools. In addition to the complete set of Cleveland RV build tools, what else would you recommend? I see people using drill presses etc. I do plan on a pneumatic riveter.
2) Air Compressor. I may farm out paint but want the option. Is there a consensus on minimum gallons, output, hp etc...? Any particular brand/model?
3) Work Shop. I have a 24X24 extra detached garage. Insulated, heated and cooled. Lighting is decent. Would you recommend moveable floor worklamps? Work tables - recommended size and height?
4) Probably one of my biggest concerns is the ?I don?t know what I don?t know?. Please feel free to share any ideas for planning, organizing, executing etc...
5) Documenting. KitLog Pro? Something else?
6) RV builder courses. Which one?
I am in Perry GA, a couple hours south of ATL. If any of you are within driving distance and want a gopher boy when doing the unfamiliar, like fiberglass etc..., I?ll be happy to help or just observe.
Special thanks to Van?s East Coast Rep Vic Syracuse for patiently allowing my spousal unit and I to crawl all over both airplanes and for having the patience to answer my endless questions. Look forward to the journey and participation in the forum.
VR
Hutch
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David W. Hutchinson
NAAA/PAAO Certified Aircraft Appraiser (Nationwide)
Perry, GA.
RV-10/N433DH (Res)
www.TwoEaglesAviation.com
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02-18-2018, 02:32 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Locust Grove, GA
Posts: 621
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I believe that Synergy Air will be opening a southern division at Newnan airport (KCCO) on or about July 1 of this year. You might want to consider at least taking the fundamentals and empennage class with them.
I traveled from the Atlanta area to Eugene for two weeks every month most of this past year to complete an RV-7A project. I had previously built an RV-10 tail and fuselage with them and plan to complete the -10 with them once they open down here.
If you can afford the time and the money, in my opinion - there is no better way to get a quality build in a reasonable amount of time.
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Krea Ellis
Locust Grove, GA
DA20-A1 "Princess Amelia" - gone home to Amelia Island
RV-7A Phase 2
RV-10 under construction at Synergy Air South
Last edited by KatanaPilot : 02-18-2018 at 02:34 PM.
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02-18-2018, 02:33 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Collierville, TN (KFYE)
Posts: 1,433
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bayoubengal
Many things I have succeeded at in life were due to the fact that I just refused defeat
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THIS is the most important tool you have! Many times in the 17 years it took me to finish, I heard jokes and comments about my never finishing the project. Even close friends recommending that I sell the kit....well, that all quit and turned into praise in November 2016. My personal motto? Too stupid to quit!
As for all the rest of the tools, I'll let the others chime in on that, but you've already go the most important "tool" you need! Best wishes on your journey!
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Dynon Skyview HDX, Titan IOX-370, Dual P-Mags, AFP FM200A FI, Whirlwind 200RV CS Prop
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02-18-2018, 02:42 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Livermore, CA
Posts: 6,797
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Welcome to the madness!
Tools: When someone says ?tool X is a must-have?, it usually isn?t. e.g., I built a 10 without a drill press. You?ll figure out what you need.
Compressor: if you want to paint you?ll need a high air flow rate. Also if you use an air drill or cut off tool. Rivet guns use little air. ?Oil-free? compressors are probably better for painting but they sure are loud.
Documentation.Keep a builders log of some sort. Take lots of photos, with yourself in them when possible. DARs seem to love them.
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02-18-2018, 03:38 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Sunman, IN
Posts: 2,189
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Tools
Though not necessary, I have found these to be valuable in my build:
DRDT dimpler. Very quiet, consistent dimples. I started with a C-frame "wack-a-mole" and then bought the DRDT. Can't tell a difference in dimple quality.
Drill press. Allows you to drill perfectly perpendicular holes over and over.
Scotch bright wheels. one on grinder, small one for die grinder.
1x42 tabletop sander.
Pneumatic squeezer.
Digital level.
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Aerospace Engineer '88
RV-10
Structure - 90% Done
Cabin Top - Aaarrghhh...
EFII System 32 - Done
297 HP Barrett Hung
ShowPlanes Cowl with Skybolts Fitted - Beautiful
Wiring...
Dues+ Paid 2019,...Thanks DR+
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02-18-2018, 04:05 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Atlanta, GA
Posts: 4,219
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rocketman1988
Digital level.
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The handy version of the digital level is a smartphone app. Is it as accurate? Doubtful, but I suspect it is well within normal build tolerances.
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Kyle Boatright
Marietta, GA
2001 RV-6 N46KB
2019(?) RV-10
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02-18-2018, 05:12 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Snoqualmie, wa
Posts: 393
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Welcome to our special world where everybody has an opinion and not too many of them agree. :-)
Here are MY recommendations.
1. Pneumatic squeezer with at least 3 yokes. Longeron yoke is my most often used. 4" and a 2" (I think) for tight spaces.
DRDT2. Its much quieter, faster and makes more consistent dimples. Consistent properly formed dimples are key to a good rivet set.
2. Get a big oiled compressor. They are much quieter while running and if you decide to paint you are going to have to buy an air/oil separator and an air dryer anyway. That air compressor is going to run a lot so the quieter the better. The larger the tank the less it will run.
3. Most important light I have is the LED head mounted light I wear on my forehead! Otherwise lots of overhead ambient light is enough.
4. Do something every day...even if its only 5 minutes of work...do something.
5. The easiest way to document is to use your plans. Simply write the date next to the step when you complete it. I also use a blog but thats more for friends and family. Its also nice to have pictures to show the FAA when it comes time to get your repairman's cert but its not required.
6. EAA courses are very handy...especially the electrical course.
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Originally Posted by bayoubengal
1) Tools. In addition to the complete set of Cleveland RV build tools, what else would you recommend? I see people using drill presses etc. I do plan on a pneumatic riveter.
2) Air Compressor. I may farm out paint but want the option. Is there a consensus on minimum gallons, output, hp etc...? Any particular brand/model?
3) Work Shop. I have a 24X24 extra detached garage. Insulated, heated and cooled. Lighting is decent. Would you recommend moveable floor worklamps? Work tables - recommended size and height?
4) Probably one of my biggest concerns is the ?I don?t know what I don?t know?. Please feel free to share any ideas for planning, organizing, executing etc...
5) Documenting. KitLog Pro? Something else?
6) RV builder courses. Which one?
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Snoqualmie WA
RV-9A Sold
RV-10 Building - FWF
www.DarinAnderson.com
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02-18-2018, 05:28 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Boulder, CO
Posts: 4,435
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While I'm not building a -10 (I am building a -3B), I've some friends who are, using the QB kits. That said as a caveat, here are my answers.
1. VAF has many threads about tools that are worth reading and that will probably guide you. Tungsten bucking bars are much superior to steel and well worth the money. Cleaveland's dimple dies are superb, but the drill bits I got from them sure weren't. I now get mine from Gen-Av-Hdwr.
2. The bigger the tank, the less often it'll need to run. You may need 220 V to run it.
3. The size ought to be large enough, but it won't be anything more than that. Pay attention to tool and part management.
Lighting needs to be very good. I suppose that you can have too much lighting but I've never seen that.
4. VAF is your friend. Don't hesitate to ask. If there is a decent builder near you who can visit with you once in a while, that's priceless. They don't need to be a -10 builder as long as they are or have built an RV.
5. I use VAF. See the "My Build Project" section. Learn how to post photos.
6. No idea.
Good luck!
Dave
RV-3B, Skinning the fuselage
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02-19-2018, 03:11 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Central Alabama
Posts: 303
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Pneumatic Squeezer
...if you're thinking along those lines.....I love my Numatx!
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Hwood 
N469SH / "Crazy Woman" (sold)
Working on Another -8
Exempt but paid
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02-19-2018, 06:44 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: ferrisburgh Vt
Posts: 59
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never have to many tools
I though I would need my drill press that I all ready owned, in hindsight have used very little. The 14" band saw has seen a lot of use. There is a lot of fiberglass work on a 10. a dremel too, orbital sander and a bench top belt sander come in handy. I used the DRT dimple tool love it, my 70 year old shoulders thank me. Built two EAA benches. Bought a Harbor Freight bench.
https://www.harborfreight.com/60-in-...nch-69054.html
Good choice, four drawer storage for the little tools you use the most the clamp at the end works great holding a part while you rivet a another part to it. You can't always get the wife to come help that much.
Harbor freight tools work fine will last the build. use Cleveland's deburing tool that fits in a hex driver buy two HP https://www.harborfreight.com/60-in-...nch-69054.html best buy for deburing
Have fun
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