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Old 02-07-2018, 04:15 PM
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Thank you your inputs. A friend who use to be a RAA inspector mentioned to me today that there is a reciprocal agreement between Transport Canada and the FAA to the effect that when one accept that an amateur built aircraft has met the 51% rule, it is prima facie evidence to the other the project has met the 51% rule. Anyone care to confirm or comment on this agreement. I will attempt to confirm this with our MD-RA. Thanks

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Old 02-07-2018, 09:28 PM
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The FAA does NOT automatically accept Canadian amateur-built certification in the US as Amateur-Built. To apply for US Airworthiness in the Experimental Amateur-Built category, one must prove that the aircraft was indeed 51% amateur-built, the same as if it were newly built in the US. Certified statement from the original builder, builder's log, and FAA Form 8130-12 will satisfy this requirement.
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Old 02-08-2018, 07:17 AM
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The FAA does NOT automatically accept Canadian amateur-built certification in the US as Amateur-Built. To apply for US Airworthiness in the Experimental Amateur-Built category, one must prove that the aircraft was indeed 51% amateur-built, the same as if it were newly built in the US. Certified statement from the original builder, builder's log, and FAA Form 8130-12 will satisfy this requirement.
Thanks Mel. This is exactly what I wanted to know. That should satisfy the potential buyer of my -9.

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Old 02-08-2018, 08:04 AM
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Hope this is not too far off subject...But there are builders like myself who have utilized the talents of many friends, and high school students in the construction of the amateur built aircraft.

As such a traditional log has not been kept. But the build has been documented with many photos of the process.

Similar to the EAA at Oshkosh where hundreds of individuals will stop by to pop a couple rivets.
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Old 02-08-2018, 08:11 AM
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Hope this is not too far off subject...But there are builders like myself who have utilized the talents of many friends, and high school students in the construction of the amateur built aircraft.
As such a traditional log has not been kept. But the build has been documented with many photos of the process.
Similar to the EAA at Oshkosh where hundreds of individuals will stop by to pop a couple rivets.
Absolutely no problem with many people helping with amateur-built aircraft. As long as they are not paid, it is still built by amateurs.

There is no specific requirement for format of the builder's log. As long as a chronological order of the build can be substantiated, that should suffice.
The primary purpose of the log is to show that the aircraft is indeed amateur-built. And as has been stated before, we can establish if you built the aircraft with a few questions about the construction.
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Old 02-08-2018, 08:24 AM
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I have seen many kits take a LONG time to complete, across many individual owners. One took over 20 years. There is no limit as to how many people can work on the airplane, and there are allowances for the areas in which commercial assistance is permitted (engine, avionics, paint, etc). An inquisitive DAR or Inspector, as Mel mentioned, can quickly determine if it was amateur-built.

Any airplane coming in from another Country will still need to meet the same burden of proof. The only difference is that the Phase I test period is allowed to be shortened if in the judgement of the Inspector/DAR the aircraft has already been determined to meet the requirements of Phase I.

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Old 02-08-2018, 09:17 AM
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I have seen many kits take a LONG time to complete, across many individual owners. One took over 20 years. There is no limit as to how many people can work on the airplane, and there are allowances for the areas in which commercial assistance is permitted (engine, avionics, paint, etc). An inquisitive DAR or Inspector, as Mel mentioned, can quickly determine if it was amateur-built.

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While we have a fairly detailed photo record, with notes, some of the build detail items might be forgotten as this has been a multi-year project, with a few gaps in between. With multiple cooks in the kitchen.

Yes, the engine work, avionics install, and paint is or will be professionally done.
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