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Old 02-06-2018, 10:10 PM
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Question for buyers or sellers that have imported/exported homebuilt aircraft to the US from Canada. What was required by the FAA to show compliance to the 51% rule by a Canadian builder?

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Old 02-06-2018, 11:57 PM
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Old 02-07-2018, 03:10 AM
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Build log was sufficient.
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Old 02-07-2018, 05:56 AM
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Same requirements as in the US---a builder's log is sufficient to show compliance with the 51% rule.

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Old 02-07-2018, 06:37 AM
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Same requirements as in the US---a builder's log is sufficient to show compliance with the 51% rule.

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What about when there is no builder log as such, which is not required under Canadian regulations? Would an affidavit from the builder satisfies the FAA?
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Old 02-07-2018, 07:41 AM
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You'd have a hard time building an Amateur-Built in Canada without showing a builder's log to MD-RA during the inspections. Not saying it's impossible, but that you'd have an uphill battle proving to the inspector that you built it.
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Old 02-07-2018, 08:09 AM
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My plane was imported by the guy I bought it from. The paperwork wasn't "good enough", whatever that means, for and airworthiness certificate here in the states. The DAR approved the plane to fly and the owner had to fly off the 25 hours conducting all the tests as if he built it. Then the cert was issued. Not sure, but I don't think he got a builders cert to perform inspections on it. But he had it maintained by an A&P anyway.
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Old 02-07-2018, 08:37 AM
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I have built 3 different aircraft, all of them signed off by a FSDO inspector. My experience was the inspector was more interested in the required paperwork being correct and builder knowledge of the build. As to builder knowledge, they would ask subtle questions about a particular area about how did I get this or that to fit. Seems they had some knowledge in those areas. I suggest you talk to other builders and ask the same questions about the part of your project already built. Just one opinion. Dan from Reno
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Old 02-07-2018, 01:24 PM
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My plane was imported by the guy I bought it from. The paperwork wasn't "good enough", whatever that means, for and airworthiness certificate here in the states. The DAR approved the plane to fly and the owner had to fly off the 25 hours conducting all the tests as if he built it. Then the cert was issued. Not sure, but I don't think he got a builders cert to perform inspections on it. But he had it maintained by an A&P anyway.
Since he was not the builder of the airplane he is not eligible to get a Limited Repairman certificate, to do annual condition inspections.
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Old 02-07-2018, 02:28 PM
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You'd have a hard time building an Amateur-Built in Canada without showing a builder's log to MD-RA during the inspections. Not saying it's impossible, but that you'd have an uphill battle proving to the inspector that you built it.
Let me see, I'm on project #7 and the last six never had a builders log. I built them all and it would not take long questioning a builder to find out if they built the airplane. Now if you receive help from someone to do the wiring for example, you would not be able to answer those questions. I do my own wiring also.
Had the MD-RA ask what was the minimum size control cable for flight surfaces when I was building the SuperCubs and I told him I had no clue, but that the SuperCub required 1/8". He said that was the type of answer he liked and that 1/8" was the minimum. He also said that the only size I needed to know on my project was the size required for that aircraft.
When I visit projects, it does not take long to find out who is really the builder.
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