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Old 01-23-2018, 05:36 PM
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I have no medical training but this is my experience.

I have been flying since the mid 1970's but went through a period a few years back when I would sometimes feel mildly nauseous when not flying and would get very nauseous when flying. I was doing an IFR rating at the time and was considering giving it up. Went to my doctor and came back positive for helicobacter pylori (the bacteria that causes stomach ulcers). Took the prescribed antibiotics and the nausea went away. The bacteria is common with about 40% of people over 40 years infected. It affects people differently with most having no obvious symptoms. Personally I know two others that had a similar experience to me.

Also half a Quells worked for me.

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My only qualm with seeing a doctor is endangering my medical. So was the helicobacter pylori the root cause of your motion sickness?
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Old 01-23-2018, 05:56 PM
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I feel for anyone with this issue. My first six lessons I came home and puked every time. Much better now, but still get oogy on occasion.

Might I suggest http://www.pumamethod.com. Dr. Puma is way credentialed and knows his way around this issue. In desperation I purchased his training program and it worked for me. Very high praise for him and this program, at least check out his website.

Good luck and feel free to ask any specific questions directly if you have any.
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Old 01-23-2018, 06:02 PM
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My only qualm with seeing a doctor is endangering my medical.
Speaking from personal experience -- that, my friend, can a highly dangerous attitude. If you think you might need to talk to your doc, then by all means talk to your doc.
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Old 01-23-2018, 07:14 PM
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Speaking from personal experience -- that, my friend, can a highly dangerous attitude. If you think you might need to talk to your doc, then by all means talk to your doc.
I should clarify. I mean for a non critical thing like this. If there was anything seriously wrong I would be at my GP quick-smart
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Old 01-23-2018, 08:57 PM
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I feel for anyone with this issue. My first six lessons I came home and puked every time. Much better now, but still get oogy on occasion.

Might I suggest http://www.pumamethod.com. Dr. Puma is way credentialed and knows his way around this issue. In desperation I purchased his training program and it worked for me. Very high praise for him and this program, at least check out his website.

Good luck and feel free to ask any specific questions directly if you have any.
So its essentially a desensitization program?
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I should clarify. I mean for a non critical thing like this. If there was anything seriously wrong I would be at my GP quick-smart
That was my exact philosophy as well. But yeah, airsickness is probably not a big danger sign.
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Old 01-24-2018, 07:29 AM
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So its essentially a desensitization program?

Yes. Explained in the DVD is an analogy of an ice skater who twirls endlessly. If one were to try it for the very first time, we would all get sick. But one twirl, then two, three and so on. Eventually you can condition your brain to accept the motion as acceptable.

I got sick on merry-go rounds as a kid, and often car sick. But this did really work for me.
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I believe motion sickness can be overcome with time. If this were not the case, the Navy would be filled with VERY unhappy people living on ships. I think this proves that time will allow one's body to adapt to the motion. Though, I suspect the time required to adapt is quite variable. My son was prone to seasickness. It took some time, but each trip on the boat became less intense for him.

That said, it may not be best to be the solo PIC in the early stages of adapting. Maybe find a colleague to fly with until the feelings are manageable and won't interfere with your ability to fly. Not just the basics, but clear enough to handle complex or emergency situations. Being mentally "at our best" increases the chances of successfully dealing with a complex and stressful situation.

I am convinced that if you stick with it, you will overcome it in time.

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One thing you can do is simply remain in the pattern. Nothing wrong with lots of take offs and landings. You learn a lot about the airplane that way. And then over time I bet your confidence level will grow and you'll be anxious to expand outward.

I remember, when fighting this, that one really important mental/emotional goal was to BE convinced that what you plan on doing is totally doable and you will not have any trouble with airsickness doing it. Doesn't really matter what sort of flying you are doing so pattern work is a great way to achieve that goal.

I knew that by staying in the pattern there was almost no chance of airsickness. For one thing you are busy and you won't be dwelling on it. For another you know that your next landing can always be a full stop if you get even a hint of the problem.

Boom done...you will NOT be airsick on this next hop.

This removes the anxiety that can occur prior to a flight and anxiety about airsickness can increase the chances of being sick.
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Old 01-24-2018, 02:16 PM
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One thing you can do is simply remain in the pattern. Nothing wrong with lots of take offs and landings. You learn a lot about the airplane that way. And then over time I bet your confidence level will grow and you'll be anxious to expand outward.

I remember, when fighting this, that one really important mental/emotional goal was to BE convinced that what you plan on doing is totally doable and you will not have any trouble with airsickness doing it. Doesn't really matter what sort of flying you are doing so pattern work is a great way to achieve that goal.

I knew that by staying in the pattern there was almost no chance of airsickness. For one thing you are busy and you won't be dwelling on it. For another you know that your next landing can always be a full stop if you get even a hint of the problem.

Boom done...you will NOT be airsick on this next hop.

This removes the anxiety that can occur prior to a flight and anxiety about airsickness can increase the chances of being sick.
I had noticed in early stages when i was training, that coming off a nav I might feel sick, as soon as I was in the mind set of pattern work, I would forget about it. That being said, pattern work at my strip will not be possible for too long, as its a little grass strip with a few fly neighborly issues.
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