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07-12-2017, 12:48 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Garden City, Tx
Posts: 5,118
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Originally Posted by DanH
I had the same idea. Unfortunately, the Cube is designed to make disassembly impossible without breaking a potted wire (seen here at 5 o'clock):
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That's one way to do it, I suppose. Works better than the little "warranty void if removed" tape.
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Garden City, TX VAF 2020 dues paid 
N16GN flying 700 hrs and counting; IO360, SDS, WWRV200, Dynon HDX, 430W
Built an off-plan RV9A with too much fuel and too much HP. Should drop dead any minute now.
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12-11-2017, 06:26 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Peachtree City, GA
Posts: 144
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100 Hours
Approximately one year ago, N104ST made its first flight powered by a prototype CD-230. Today, it passed the 100 hour mark.
Fuel bill for the first 100 hours---$2084.27-----713.2 gallons ------- Price range $2.50 to $3.57
---There are still 33 gallons in the tanks!---
Condition Inspection time is here, so the fun will come to a temporary halt.
Known items to be worked on:
1- enlarge oil cooler inlet duct- oil temps are acceptable but need to be better.
2- CHTs - there is TOO much cooling air.
3- start working on empty weight reduction
I?ll be sure to post any findings from the inspection when its finished.
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Scott Flandermeyer
Rv-10 TDI 300 hrs
Fayettevile, GA
2020 VAF Donation complete
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12-11-2017, 06:32 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Calgary, Canada
Posts: 5,745
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That's 7.1 gal/hr. so pretty impressive. Any performance numbers?
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12-12-2017, 07:03 AM
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Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Peachtree City, GA
Posts: 144
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Performance data point
Here you go Ross,
OAT 49F -- Baro 30.13-- 5000ft.
164KTAS-- 152KIAS -- MAP 75.5"-- 2190RPM -- 10.6GPH---200HP (calculated)
This is off a screen shot I have but haven't posted it due to image hosting issues.
I checked the data stream to verify the fuel flow was reasonable to make sure it was not the high or low. FF reading currently varies +/- .5gph due to injection pulses.
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Scott Flandermeyer
Rv-10 TDI 300 hrs
Fayettevile, GA
2020 VAF Donation complete
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12-12-2017, 08:18 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Calgary, Canada
Posts: 5,745
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Not bad at that low altitude. Should be better at 8 to 10K.
Cool project and nice to see you building up the hours on it.
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12-12-2017, 09:57 AM
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Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Ridgeland, SC
Posts: 2,583
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Scott---great job for your perseverance on this project. It was fun helping out!
You have to fly it down to 3J1 when its back up.
Tom
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Joint Venture with Aircraft Specialty
Teflon Hose Assemblies for Experimentals
Proud Vendor for RV1, Donator to VAF
RV7 Tail Kit Completed, Fuse started-Pay as I go Plan
Ridgeland, SC
www.tsflightlines.com, www.asflightlines.com
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12-12-2017, 06:28 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Brooksville, MS
Posts: 745
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We tend to focus on cruise data when comparing different engines but don't discount the gains available during taxi and climb. The TDI is a close match at cruise but beats the spark ignition engine hands down at full throttle when comparing fuel flow. Will be interesting to watch this project especially the weight loss phase.
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Weasel
RV-4 715hr Sold 
RV-10 "School Bus" -   +1600hr counting
Fisher Classic Cassler Power VW sold
RV-10 N7631T 820hr Sold
RV-8 700+hrs
Carbon Cub 200 hr Sold
One-Off Super Cub 100 hr
SERFI AWARDS
http://weaselrv10.blogspot.com/
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12-12-2017, 09:46 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Calgary, Canada
Posts: 5,745
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Originally Posted by Weasel
We tend to focus on cruise data when comparing different engines but don't discount the gains available during taxi and climb. The TDI is a close match at cruise but beats the spark ignition engine hands down at full throttle when comparing fuel flow. Will be interesting to watch this project especially the weight loss phase.
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The average 7.1 GPH over 100 hours is very good but you gotta wait for the whole story. With 260+HP, the Lycs ROC is likely to be better to medium altitudes so you you don't need to spend so long in the climb. We could shut the fuel right off or almost on an EFI Lyc in the descent too if you wanted and you can go LOP even in the climb if you pull the prop back and get below 75%.
Best to compare the diesel against the latest technology and most efficient technique available for the Lyc before drawing any conclusions on actual overall cost savings. Don't forget the price delta either.
That all being said, this is a cool project no matter how the numbers come out. Kudos to all involved with the project.
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12-13-2017, 06:58 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: 08A
Posts: 9,476
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Originally Posted by rv6ejguy
The average 7.1 GPH over 100 hours is very good but you gotta wait for the whole story. With 260+HP, the Lycs ROC is likely to be better to medium altitudes so you you don't need to spend so long in the climb. We could shut the fuel right off or almost on an EFI Lyc in the descent too if you wanted and you can go LOP even in the climb if you pull the prop back and get below 75%.
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Depends on what you call "medium altitude".
Scott's current engine is a experimental mule with about 230 HP. The long term plan is replacement with a new CD-265 (aka a TDIO-304-A on the TCDS), probably with a prop upgrade.
Flown solo, the 540 should initially out-climb the diesel, based on lighter weight and equal thrust. However, any advantage will bleed away rapidly with altitude gain. The turbo diesel will make full rated power to around 10K, and 90% to about 13K.
So, an IO-540 time-to-climb advantage is unlikely if the plan includes going to an efficient cruise altitude, and the diesel will burn less fuel (about 14 GPH) for the duration of the climb.
Look for a feature in Kitplanes. And yes indeed, Scott is to be complimented for his very professional approach to a new installation.
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Last edited by DanH : 12-13-2017 at 07:02 AM.
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12-13-2017, 07:23 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Yorkshire, England
Posts: 2,048
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On another part of the project, have you had any issues with the propeller, such as surface cracking of the finish near the blade roots ?
Just curious as the power pulses will be a lot firmer than with an IO-540 I am guessing.
I take it the motor is direct drive to the prop.
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