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12-12-2017, 09:16 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Flathead Lake Montana - 8S1
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I went through this with a LongEZ in 1996. I offered my ex a $38K valuation but she rejected that as too low. She found an aircraft appraiser, but he valued it at $25K (John Denver had just perished in a LongEZ). She then found another appraiser who pegged it at $65K (Oshkosh winner, etc). I had Rutan's GM testify at the trial, and the judge set the value at $19K
Of course, my ex asked then asked for my initial $38K suggestion, but after dragging me through the mud we kept it at the court value of $19K
Good luck, I hope you are able to keep the plane you built with your own two hands.
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'89 LimoEZ - N26EZ 686 hours (sold)
A couple of Glasairs and a Lancair 320...
Next: a RV14 need something to build
Last edited by deek : 12-12-2017 at 03:19 PM.
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12-12-2017, 10:24 AM
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Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Grand Rapids Michigan
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Sorry to hear that, but ask your lawyer the proper way to recover your lost build time.
Had a buddy that went through this with a '69 Camaro and his wife told everyone it was valued at $45,000. He had 2200 hours of build time and actually kept a pretty good log. His lawyer valued his time because of the forced sale and lost time at $20.00 per hour. The court agreed that a forced sale has a lost time valuation and they threw the car out of the fight.
Sounds like this might be a ploy I would try here!
Good Luck!
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12-12-2017, 10:49 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Garden City, Tx
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A forced sale also exposes the builder to liability lawsuits from the new owner and/or their family in the event of a crash. I would bring that up in court, along with the assertion that you never intended to sell the airplane or expose yourself to that liability, and that if forced to do so by the court then you want spouse-provided liability insurance to cover you.
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Garden City, TX VAF 2020 dues paid 
N16GN flying 700 hrs and counting; IO360, SDS, WWRV200, Dynon HDX, 430W
Built an off-plan RV9A with too much fuel and too much HP. Should drop dead any minute now.
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12-12-2017, 11:09 AM
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Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: n. wi
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you can spin anything a lot of ways and in the end it is the judge that decides what sticks to the wall.if i were to bring in the aspect of build time i would be paying $ for the enjoyment i got from the build.
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n. wi.
dakota hawk/jab 3300 built and flying. sold 6/18.getting serious about the 12. in the hangar now as of 10/15/19
RV-12 kit as of 9/13
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12-12-2017, 11:31 AM
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Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Catawba, NC
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it's easy
Put a reasonable value on it. If she doesn't like your value, tell her you will be glad to deliver it to her for half of whatever value she places on it, and you will just build another one. When her lawyer says she doesn't want the airplane, tell him that you are now offering a lower value for it. The negotiations get easier after that. I told the mediator that the only thing in the marriage I had any emotional attachment to left the house on her own two feet. They had no power after that.
And hang in there, life gets better sooner than you think if you let it.
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12-12-2017, 12:44 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Camas, Wa
Posts: 92
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 6 Gun
I would keep the RV9 and sleep in the hanger with it.
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Yes - Find a Live in Hangar!!
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12-12-2017, 01:47 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: St. Paul, MN.
Posts: 4,792
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Part of the answer depends on whether this is an amicable parting of the ways or a hostile one.
I'm sorry to hear about your situation. I wouldn't wish divorce on my worst enemy; it's not fun. But you never know. Sometimes the worst moments of our lives tend to be what is necessary to get to the best moments of our lives.
Good luck.
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12-12-2017, 02:24 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: S. Cal
Posts: 11
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Unsolicited advice from my being through it myself and acting as an advisor in a number of friends divorces, both male and female -
#1 - Lawyers are not your friends. Do not think for a second they are "on your side". They are on their own side not yours. They have a personal interest in creating disagreement. ANYTHING you can do to negotiate without their help will serve you both well. You can easily pick up books (like divorce for Dummies) that will spell out what to expect for your state in terms of financial expectations
#2 - Do anything/everything you can do to NOT fight. Swallow your pride, keep everything "business not emotional... emotional responses will cost you money. If your opposing spouse tries to use emotions as a weapon just say "I believe I understand what you're saying but I'll need a day or two to think that over" don't let urgency and emotion push you into hasty decisions
#3 - You are both likely emotionally injured so be ready for barbs to be thrown your way, reread #2
Lastly - I'd highly suggest doing all you can to keep the plane. This will be great therapy through a troubling time. Don't worry about finances later having something like this during a trying time is good for you. The more you make it appear as though you're emotionally attached to it that may spark more of a battle on the other's part. As said earlier come up with a realistic value... if she thinks that is too low then offer her to keep the plane herself that was great advice.
Do all you can to keep things copacetic. Don't let the lawyers manage you you manage the lawyers. I dated a lady who's husband had spent over $500K on attorneys fees and they still weren't through the divorce yet. You have the ability to manage this, as crappy as it is and as hurt as you are but you avhe to manage it yourself.
Best of luck
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12-13-2017, 10:41 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: La Feria Texas
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Wow, I have been thru two divorces and I could have not written this post any better. Great advice given there, please read and heed it if you can.
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Originally Posted by Leeper
Unsolicited advice from my being through it myself and acting as an advisor in a number of friends divorces, both male and female -
#1 - Lawyers are not your friends. Do not think for a second they are "on your side". They are on their own side not yours. They have a personal interest in creating disagreement. ANYTHING you can do to negotiate without their help will serve you both well. You can easily pick up books (like divorce for Dummies) that will spell out what to expect for your state in terms of financial expectations
#2 - Do anything/everything you can do to NOT fight. Swallow your pride, keep everything "business not emotional... emotional responses will cost you money. If your opposing spouse tries to use emotions as a weapon just say "I believe I understand what you're saying but I'll need a day or two to think that over" don't let urgency and emotion push you into hasty decisions
#3 - You are both likely emotionally injured so be ready for barbs to be thrown your way, reread #2
Lastly - I'd highly suggest doing all you can to keep the plane. This will be great therapy through a troubling time. Don't worry about finances later having something like this during a trying time is good for you. The more you make it appear as though you're emotionally attached to it that may spark more of a battle on the other's part. As said earlier come up with a realistic value... if she thinks that is too low then offer her to keep the plane herself that was great advice.
Do all you can to keep things copacetic. Don't let the lawyers manage you you manage the lawyers. I dated a lady who's husband had spent over $500K on attorneys fees and they still weren't through the divorce yet. You have the ability to manage this, as crappy as it is and as hurt as you are but you avhe to manage it yourself.
Best of luck
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12-15-2017, 09:10 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Cape Elizabeth ME
Posts: 139
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I appreciate all the comments. While the divorce isn't hostile its certainly not amicable. I have done as much as I can to keep emotion out of it, but it is difficult at times. Unfortunately the lawyers are involved due to being unable to have a productive discussion with my ex.
I am just concerned with getting an accurate value of my plane but because I built as cheaply as possible so it is difficult to convey to non RVers that there is a big disparity in value depending on engine, prop, avionics, paint, ect. I haven't figured out how to tell a lawyer the difference in value between an 0-290 and an 0-360??
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