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Old 10-27-2017, 08:11 PM
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For those of you who feel your plane should never be blasted, don't fly it.... for what a blast that is!😊😊
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Old 10-27-2017, 09:28 PM
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Thread Steal! Besides the blasters, there's another type of mindless oaf that I come across more often...the dope who pulls up to the hold short line and THEN does their run-up and take-off check list, blocking access to the runway for those ready to depart. Half of them seem to be with instructors! The latest was at Council Bluffs two weeks ago. After one minute I bugged them. Then another few minutes of prep, then waiting unnecessarily for a Slowtation five miles out. Complete lack of situational awareness.

None of these characters own the airport.

John Siebold
This is a real problem at my airport. Instructors are accustomed to doing their training briefing at the hold short line. Probably because most often they have the airport to themselves. I have waited upwards of 10 minutes. Unfortunately, the airport does not allow intersection t/o's. Even more egregious is that 500' away is a huge apron where all of the courteous pilots do their run-ups.

I don't blame the students. It's the instructors that could care less about inconveniencing someone else. However, it is a shame that they are teaching them such poor etiquette from the get go.

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Old 10-28-2017, 01:20 PM
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Default Easy lesson

I had a friend/acquaintance visit once in his RV7A. He pulled up in front of my open hangar, swung around tail pointed directly into the hangar and did his rather lengthy shut down checklist while never looking outside to see me frantically waving to get his attention.
My fix was to put my push broom in his hand the second he stepped down of the step and say, you dirtied it up, you clean it. He had absolutely no idea what I was talking about until I pointed out the mess in the hangar and told him I was dead serious and that pilots just don’t pull that kind of stupid stunt. We are still acquainted..
Tact, you bet.
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Old 10-28-2017, 07:17 PM
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I don't blame the students. It's the instructors that could care less about inconveniencing someone else. However, it is a shame that they are teaching them such poor etiquette from the get go.
I hate to paint all instructors with a wide brush, but, I've seen it too.

At Hooks airport in Houston there's a north ramp that does double duty as both a runup and parking area. I had small glitch on my RV at runup, so was in a corner of the ramp area with top cowling off to take a look at something. Then, along comes a C-152 with student and CFI to do their runup; they had gobs of open space to park and do their thing, but where'd they stop? Right in front of me as if I and my RV were invisible... while they did their lengthy checklist I waggled their elevators and thumped on the horizontal stab to get their attention. Nothing, no response. Then, up comes the power for a mag check, blowing right on my RV parked 25 feet behind... so, I banged on the CFI's side window, then yanked his door open to yell at them to knock that cr@p off and move their airplane! Methinks I startled them just a tad. But, the fact that I had to yell at the CFI to pull his head out of his butt and look around, have just a wee bit of situational awareness... that was just mind boggling.
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Old 10-28-2017, 08:06 PM
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Been flying for over 50 years and an airport owner for 27 years.

Believe me, I could tell you stories all night!
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Old 10-28-2017, 08:37 PM
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There's a flip-side to the prop-blast etiquette issue: I pulled in to the self-serve fuel station at Big Bear (L35) a few months ago and while I'm fueling my RV, another pilot drives in behind me and parks 5 feet behind my plane. I literally coundn't believe it. Its like this guy was inviting me to prop blast his plane!

Now I feel like I have to pull my plane forward to protect this numbskull and be "courteous". So I start pulling my plane out and what does this idiot do? He starts pulling his plane forward at the same pace I was moving!

I ended up turning my plane slightly just to avoid blasting him too much and looking like the bad guy. Sometimes people put us in the toughest spots...

-Marc
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Old 10-29-2017, 06:00 AM
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I ended up turning my plane slightly just to avoid blasting him too much and looking like the bad guy. Sometimes people put us in the toughest spots...

-Marc
i never start my airplane at the pump. Always pull it away and angle it so if anyone pulls up to the pumps while I am starting, I am not blocking them or prop washing them. Less than 10% of others do the same. Of coarse some of the planes are to big to easily move so I avoid being directly behind them at the pump but park off to the side. Anticipating what others will do helps avoid some of the prop wash issues.
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Old 10-29-2017, 07:35 AM
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Default Propeller blast etiquette......

Reminds me of an incident that happened at my local airport back in the day. The big hangar used for maintenance also had a paint shop in the back and a freshly painted aircraft was being pulled out to set in the sun. A twin pulled up, turn turn the tail to the open hangar, (and newly painted airplane) and did an engine run-up. Log story short, maintenance hangar full of trash, dirt and grass, newly painted aircraft had same same in the paint. Bottom line, a line truck parked in front of the twin, and a report to FAA resulted in one of those multiple 30 day suspensions, and a large insurance settlement. Dan from Reno
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Old 10-29-2017, 10:13 AM
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Not to mention the guy behind you in the alley that is trying to conform to the goal of this thread who will get propwashed by you while avoiding do the same to others.
Well, to be fair, getting propwashed from directly head on is much less of a problem than from the rear or side, where the propwash can get your control surfaces fluttering or banging against the stops. Your plane is at least designed to take wind from the front.

I don't think many people complain about being propwashed when waiting third in line on the taxiway for takeoff... Mind you, I tend to turn 30 degrees off-axis if i'm left sitting in that position... Both for propwash and for visibility up and down the taxiway.

Pulling your plane out into the alley and then doing your pre-flight, oil top-up, check ATIS, etc. is just rude. Do it in your tiedown, then pull out, start up, and start rolling.
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Old 02-08-2019, 03:32 PM
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Ugh,
So I am doing a runup at the runway entrance and the power line guys with a "Little Bird" turbine helicopter decide that they should air taxi from their hangar to the fuel pumps OVER me. Fortunately I was holding the stick as if I wasn't there very well would have been control surface damage WTF?!

I did speak with their maintenance guys and asked them to mention it to the hotshot pilot...
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