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10-19-2017, 05:21 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2007
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If anyone is planning to remove a Navworx unit, I'm willing to pay for shipping just to take it apart and see how it works. Glad to post the photos for all to see.
David
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10-19-2017, 05:45 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Cincinnati, OH
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Without a class-action lawsuit? Really? Who says that?s going to (not) happen? There should be more than one defendant. The FAA should be in the cross hairs. Did you get some sort of letter or notice that your ADSB unit is non-compliant? Neither did I. Who sends this out? NavWorx? FAA? Doesn?t matter. I didn?t get anything. Am I required to monitor some small company?s website to see if their equipment that was approved, is now not approved? I also own a Cessna and when there is an AD issued on any of my equipment, I get a notice from the FAA. It?s happened several times. If I continued to use my ?non-compliant? NavWorx ADSB unit past the deadline of the AD, which is supposed to be for type-certificated aircraft, will I hear from the FAA? Can?t I then refer to the certificate that I received from NavWorx that my system complies with the FAA TSO? This is a collection of screw-ups - by the FAA who did not do the required research before implementing this ill-thought out idea - and by NavWorx for not doing their due diligence after the wish-washy Feds changed their minds, who?s to say how many times. The loosers here are the customers left holding the bag, and we have rights, protected by consumer and interstate commerce laws. Class action lawsuit? - you betcha!! Number one on the hit list - the FAA. NavWorx should also be named.
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10-19-2017, 06:15 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Delaware, OH (KDLZ)
Posts: 4,196
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DennisRhodes
I think that is a " fair" question that the FAA should answer for us. My guess it that Navwork was not that vendors only customer/supplier. And as a end user the FAA should be obligated to make that known. NW just did not have that large enough block of the market for GPS devices.
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I can tell from working with the FAA for the AMOCs for the ADS600-B, you won’t get the information from the FAA. They treat each submission as if it was covered by a NDA. Only Bill can release that information.
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10-19-2017, 06:26 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Livermore, CA
Posts: 6,797
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott Hersha
Did you get some sort of letter or notice that your ADSB unit is non-compliant? Neither did I.
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Unfortunately it doesn't matter. FAR 91.7 (I think) says the PIC is supposed to (somehow) know the airplane is in a safe condition, and airworthy. I once had the misfortune to show up at the FSDO for a flight test with a rented airplane. The inspector came in with the logs, and pointed out that a certain repetitive AD had not been signed off. Check flight cancelled. And I couldn't takeoff until I found an A&P to sign a ferry permit. They were pretty nice about it, acknowledging that it was pretty tough for me to know about this AD; but, nevertheless, as PIC it was my responsibility.
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10-19-2017, 06:38 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Caledonia, MI
Posts: 32
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GRT Safe-Fly GPS Compliance with FAR 14 CFR 91.227
I wanted to make a quick posting to reassure all GRT Safe-Fly users our Safe-Fly 2020 Compliant GPS does meet all FAA requirements for GPS performance according to FAR 14 CFR 91.227. I personally contacted Mike Heusser of the the FAA Aircraft Certification Office (ACO) in Fort Worth, Tx in January of this year during the development of the Safe-Fly GPS to make certain it would be compliant. Mr Heusser was very helpful, immediately familiar with our GPS source, and assured me that it was compliant, as described in the datasheet for the GPS.
The spirit of our conversation with very positive. Mr. Heusser was helpful, and I was left with complete confidence that our Safe-Fly GPS would not be subject to the problems NavWorx encountered.
Greg Toman
Chief Engineer/Owner
GRT Avionics, Inc.
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10-19-2017, 06:51 PM
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Join Date: May 2008
Location: Martinsville, IN
Posts: 454
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Thanks for posting here Greg. Other than your conversation with the FSDO, is there anything we can hang our hats on with regard to 2020 compliance of the package you offer? I don't doubt for a minute that you have their assurances. Is there something that the end-user can point to when a local FSDO or ramp inspector gets uptight about a non-certified UAT transmitter?
Last edited by dtw_rv6 : 10-19-2017 at 08:03 PM.
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10-19-2017, 07:31 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: northern Cal
Posts: 111
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norworx
Well the big boys won.
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10-19-2017, 07:42 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Oklahoma City
Posts: 913
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My 2020 plan is to finish my project and sell the 172!
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10-19-2017, 07:53 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Ellsworth, ME
Posts: 842
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After the text and email about the demise of NavWorx I called John at GRT and order a EchoUAT since I already had a SafeFly GPS installed with my recent panel upgrade.

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10-19-2017, 08:38 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Atlanta
Posts: 745
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Anybody wanna buy a Navworx EXP cheap?? Really cheap?? Really really cheap?? (I suppose I could use it as a paper weight)
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