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03-04-2017, 12:57 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2005
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Originally Posted by HFS
Can you tell us what the "tip" was from the PPG tech rep for a fine "wet look" finish?
Thx
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I told the Tech that I was concerned about the weight of the paint but really liked the base coat / clear coat appearance. On the last coat after you have good color cover just use a mix of 50% color and 50% clear. It's not a real base/ clear appearance but produces a very wet look that really stands out.
I did it in Deltron and was often questioned on how I got those results.
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03-04-2017, 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by kentlik
I am pretty new to the forum, but I wanted to throw in my pick for a spray gun brand.
SATA makes some of the best equipment out there. I have used their stuff for years and find it awesome. I used the smaller capacity guns, but the big boys are second to none.
Both companies make guns around the $5-$800 marks. These two are in the 1K field
Just my .02...
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SATA was my first choice after doing some research but I had to draw the line on price somewhere.  Stewart actually recommend a cheaper DeVilbiss gun so I figured upgrading a little would do the trick. It did. 
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03-07-2017, 06:48 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2015
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Originally Posted by NYTOM
SATA was my first choice after doing some research but I had to draw the line on price somewhere.  Stewart actually recommend a cheaper DeVilbiss gun so I figured upgrading a little would do the trick. It did. 
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I understand! I found a used in great shape SATA. I prime with an IWATA, which is a great gun too.
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03-08-2017, 09:47 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: OH
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My Iwata with the devilbiiss DEcups disposable paint system has worked well for me. The DEcups system allows you to paint upside down and make cleanup breeze. Sata is also a good brand. I stayed numerous coats of polyfiber products and Ranthane (will never use Ranthane agin). probably 5 gallons or more. The Iwata gun worked great.
He is the deal, I have a friend that does some of the most outstanding , award winning paint I have ever seen. till recently he used a old Binks pressure pot gun and sprays in less than I
ideal conditions.
The real quality comes from the operator, not the gun,.
Having said that , a good gun is well worth the investment. Use the Tip recommended by the paint manufacturer.
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03-08-2017, 10:17 AM
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Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Oregon
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Originally Posted by laz
My Iwata with the devilbiiss DEcups disposable paint system has worked well for me. The DEcups system allows you to paint upside down and make cleanup breeze. Sata is also a good brand. I stayed numerous coats of polyfiber products and Ranthane (will never use Ranthane agin). probably 5 gallons or more. The Iwata gun worked great.
He is the deal, I have a friend that does some of the most outstanding , award winning paint I have ever seen. till recently he used a old Binks pressure pot gun and sprays in less than I
ideal conditions.
The real quality comes from the operator, not the gun,.
Having said that , a good gun is well worth the investment. Use the Tip recommended by the paint manufacturer.
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All true. I need a good gun...as I am only an average painter, lol. It covers many of my mistakes. 
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03-31-2017, 04:58 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Raleigh, North Carolina
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Made for home builders
Another shout out to Stewart Systems paint. If you'd like to paint your project yourself at home and the "Stink" and danger of solvent paint concerns you, I recommend giving SS a try. Just putting the final colors on my fuselage today and the paint still amazes me. After painting the main fuselage color I had a little run in the tail section and it bothered me all night. Figured I'd sand it out in a few days and repaint. Got up this morning and checked it again. The dam run was gone. Over night the paint flowed out like silk.
I does take a little time to master but once you do it's a pleasure to work with.
And the best part is that you won't have your wife complaining about the smell at all. In fact my wife who has a nose like a bloodhound didn't even know I was painting. On my last plane she smelled it as soon as I was thinking about buying it.  Don't know if SS advertises here so pull this thread if it's in violation but this paint can save a lot of builders a ton of money and get the satisfaction and reward of doing your oun painting.  
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03-31-2017, 05:07 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2007
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Thanks for the update Tom. I have the exact same plans as you. Teckna pro lite and SS paint. What colors are you shooting? Any pics you can post? If you want to sell the gun when you are done, shoot me a PM or email.
Jay
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04-02-2017, 06:54 AM
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Getting to the good part
Jay I used Juneau white, True blue & Dawn Patrol gray. All the colors went on the same. There was some chatter on here about the blue color being harder to apply with little holes forming but that condition may have occurred because many reasons. ( moisture in the air hose, dirt/ oil or silicone on part etc.) Preparation (clean, clean, clean) is everything.
Still have the fiberglass stuff to go so I won't be selling it for a while but Ill drop you a line when I'm done if your still interested. Taking the fuselage back to the hangar this week to see if all these parts will really go together to make a real airplane. Hope to get some photos up then. 
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09-29-2017, 08:27 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2013
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I am in the throws of painting my RV8. I have been painting cars and Airplanes most of my adult life. Swore I would not paint the RV , but the prices from 14K to 25K ( that is not a mistype, actually had that price quoted). So I built my own home made paint booth and am about 3/4 done. The results are very good, but not perfect. hear are some things I have learned for what its worth.
1. Do not use a cheep gun, I paid $400 for my Iwata HP400. I painted my Tcraft with it and now my RV. it has paid for itself many times over. Estimate I have run 20 Gal. of various paints thru it and it has never let me down. The big thing with any gun is knowing how to adjust it. There are several you tube videos on the subject. My favorite is a guy who calls himself the "GUNMAN". He not only shows you how to do it but reviews spray guns. Crazy guy but very knowledgeable.
2. no matter what gun you use I recommend adapting the Devilbus DEKUP to the gun. It uses throw away plastic bags that allow you to paint upside down and probably saves more in cleanup solvents than you pay for the system. You can buy some great package deals on E-bay.
3. Get a good gun pressure regulator ( cheep ones will fog over and be useless after a few sprays) , see the GUNMAN you tube on pressure regulators.
4. Use a fresh air breather system.
I have never used Stewart system but their videos are some of the best on painting. Whatever you choose follow the paint manufactures directions. Paint is so expensive that cheep guns and not following directions makes no sense.
One last thought. If you want perfection use a base coat clear coat system. It allows you to sand and bus the clear. You can fix a lot of problems like dust and dirt, orange peel and runs. I used PPG aerospace single stage, but even with that you have to clear coat the metallic colors.
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09-29-2017, 09:14 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: 57AZ - NW Tucson area
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Finished weight added
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Originally Posted by laz
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One last thought. If you want perfection use a base coat clear coat system. It allows you to sand and bus the clear. You can fix a lot of problems like dust and dirt, orange peel and runs. I used PPG aerospace single stage, but even with that you have to clear coat the metallic colors.
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I've always wondered if the base/clear systems are heavier because of the extra coats.
Or is it like my Chevy where it seemed the silver layer was very thin under a thicker clear coat?
Anyone know the weight differences for various systems/
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