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09-14-2017, 01:29 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2006
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Originally Posted by JohnAJohnson
I'd imagine he's a bit gun-shy Bob, releasing a product into the wild that hasn't been FAA blessed. It might help to offer to sign an NDA or whatever he feels comfortable with.
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Actually, it has been blessed by the FAA for the 200-0012 and 200-0013 if you are operating under one of the current AMOCs.
I won't go into details on my conversations with Navworx. It makes no sense bashing Navworx further than they already have been.
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09-15-2017, 09:12 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Cocoa Beach FL
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Originally Posted by rleffler
Nobody at Navworx or Dallas Avionics are aware of the text in the AMOC application for the 650/750.
Since I wrote two of the AMOCs, I can share with you a portion of the text used in the AMOC application.
The Navworx 200-0012 or 200-0013 units running 4.1.0 (or later) of the UAT Console software
This is why the Global AMOC doesn't state version, since it includes the current and future releases by default.
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Bob,
Can you share all the requirements used in the AMOC application for the 650/750? If not, can you point out any deficencies in what I have done before I have send in my notification to the FAA?
I have;
Connected the Navworx 600B 200-0012 to the Garmin GTN-650 according to the Navworx installation wiring diagram.
Installed Firmware Version 4.1 to the Navworx 600B, configured it to use the GTN-650 as it GPS position source.
Configured the GTN-650 to send position using ADS-B+ Format A via RS-232 serial connection to the Navworx.
Verified "Ready for Flight" on the UAT Console V4.1 using. the GTN-650 external postion source.
Installed the required placard on the Navworx box.
Disconnedted the GPS antenna from the Navworx box.
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09-15-2017, 09:31 AM
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Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Delaware, OH (KDLZ)
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Originally Posted by jimfaber
Bob,
Can you share all the requirements used in the AMOC application for the 650/750? If not, can you point out any deficencies in what I have done before I have send in my notification to the FAA?
I have;
Connected the Navworx 600B 200-0012 to the Garmin GTN-650 according to the Navworx installation wiring diagram.
Installed Firmware Version 4.1 to the Navworx 600B, configured it to use the GTN-650 as it GPS position source.
Configured the GTN-650 to send position using ADS-B+ Format A via RS-232 serial connection to the Navworx.
Verified "Ready for Flight" on the UAT Console V4.1 using. the GTN-650 external postion source.
Installed the required placard on the Navworx box.
Disconnedted the GPS antenna from the Navworx box.
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All the requirements are in the AMOC and the Navworx installation manual.
It looks like you are good to go. We've seen a great variability in what the FSDO wants to see. Some have asked for schematics, photos of the placard, etc and one didn't really care and thought just sending an email that you're using the AMOC in your aircraft was adequate. Please post what your FSDO requires.
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09-17-2017, 12:56 PM
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Join Date: May 2007
Location: Gearhart Oregon
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First of all I want to say THANK YOU SO MUCH to Bob for all your work and help on this. We all owe you a huge debt of gratitude!
There is one thing that's been nagging me. The AMOC states only that before using it, we need to notify your principal inspector, or lacking a principal inspector, the manager of the local flight Standards District Office/Certificate Holding District Office.
I know FSDOs like to come up with their own interpretations but it's difficult for me to see how that can be read any other way than we need to tell the them we're doing it, i.e "This is to notify you that on aircraft NXX I have completed all the requirements of the AMOC as detailed in..., etc." Any requirement for details, schematics, etc. would be outside the scope of the AMOC. No?
It all could be academic as I certainly don't want to get into an argument with my FSDO. But still...
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09-17-2017, 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by rv6n6r
First of all I want to say THANK YOU SO MUCH to Bob for all your work and help on this. We all owe you a huge debt of gratitude!
There is one thing that's been nagging me. The AMOC states only that before using it, we need to notify your principal inspector, or lacking a principal inspector, the manager of the local flight Standards District Office/Certificate Holding District Office.
I know FSDOs like to come up with their own interpretations but it's difficult for me to see how that can be read any other way than we need to tell the them we're doing it, i.e "This is to notify you that on aircraft NXX I have completed all the requirements of the AMOC as detailed in..., etc." Any requirement for details, schematics, etc. would be outside the scope of the AMOC. No?
It all could be academic as I certainly don't want to get into an argument with my FSDO. But still...
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This has been an argument for EAB builders for decades. Some FSDOs like to make up their own rules. My advice is that's not a battle to pick, since you'll either cause a significant amount of pain for yourself and most likely not get what you're after.
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09-21-2017, 06:41 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Cocoa Beach FL
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No ADS-B Data In after AMOC Upgrade
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Originally Posted by rleffler
All the requirements are in the AMOC and the Navworx installation manual.
It looks like you are good to go. We've seen a great variability in what the FSDO wants to see. Some have asked for schematics, photos of the placard, etc and one didn't really care and thought just sending an email that you're using the AMOC in your aircraft was adequate. Please post what your FSDO requires.
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Hi Bob,
I have test flown the aircraft after the AMOC (GTN650) compliance, UAT console shows "Ready for Flight" and I have lost all ADS-B/UAT data in. No traffic, NEXRAD. Nothing shows on my EFIS or WingX on my Ipad via wifi. If i do a traffic simulation all the traffic shows up on both devices. Any Ideas of where to start?
Thanks,
Jim Faber
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09-21-2017, 07:04 AM
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Join Date: Jun 2006
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Originally Posted by jimfaber
Hi Bob,
I have test flown the aircraft after the AMOC (GTN650) compliance, UAT console shows "Ready for Flight" and I have lost all ADS-B/UAT data in. No traffic, NEXRAD. Nothing shows on my EFIS or WingX on my Ipad via wifi. If i do a traffic simulation all the traffic shows up on both devices. Any Ideas of where to start?
Thanks,
Jim Faber
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Interesting.....
I don't have a clue, since you stated that the simulation appears, but traffic doesn't. There is a known bug that doesn't display traffic on Display Port 2, when the EFIS is configured to Display Port 1. But you stated you weren't getting traffic on either port.
Who's EFIS do you have? On my AFS 5500, I have the ability to monitor the data being transferred on the serial port and save it to a file. Does your EFIS have that capability?
Does your unit typically received traffic while still on the ground? I don't know how close your are to an ADSB tower. If so, you can connect a PC to the Display Port to manually verify want is being sent to the EFIS. You'll need HyperTerminal or another terminal emulation program. I don't know the reasons, but previously Bill had specifically mentioned not to use Putty.
I would also request a ADSB Performance Report from the FAA. It will show your last flight flown. It will validate if the unit is truly in the "ready for Flight" mode and transmitting ADSB data.
I had a similar issue on my unit and had to go through all the above steps to convince Bill that I had multiple dead ports. He was quick to point the finger at wiring. Since I've done structured wiring for more than 30 years, I knew it was a connectivity issue, I just had to prove it to him. The bad new is that IC is deprecated and it took him a couple weeks to source a replacement. More bad news, my unit worked great for a few months after the repair. Display Port 1 is now failing again about 10-20% of the time. It requires a power cycle to get the Display Port to work again. Unfortunately, I can't do that in the air. The fact that you are seeing the simulation, would indicate to me that you don't have a problem with the EFIS attached Display Port.
I would definitely reach out to Navworx at their support email or give Scott Edwards a call.
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09-21-2017, 08:11 AM
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Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Laurel, DE
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I had a similar issue - showed "ready" but nothing came in...because I wasn't transmitting my stuff. My transponder (SL-70) has to be set to ALT for some fersions and will always transmit for other versions (I have tested multiple SL-70 units with different sw loads). Make sure your Transponder is on and outputting altitude...the console will have the TX label as green when it is all set.
Unfortunately, there is now easy way to monitor the ongoing transmit status - I don't think the light is designed to tell if you're transmitting or not...I haven't installed or tested that feature.
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09-21-2017, 12:49 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Gulf Shores AL
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The best way I've found to determine if you are outputting is by using one of those RTL-SDR Receivers connected to a tablet or phone, running software such as the ADSB Receiver app, or similar for iOS. I crank up the airplane's avionics bus right in the hangar and within a few minutes, the ADS600-B starts transmitting. I've checked many other airplanes for friends when they were curious if they were outputting. I can see the transmission on my tablet as such:

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09-21-2017, 02:05 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Laurel, DE
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I have one of the SDR thingy's and it is a great tool for troubleshooting/validating.
You'll need to uninstall/reinstall or pay for the app eventually.
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