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09-08-2017, 09:05 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2005
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New Wording for Passenger Warning
Just a "heads-up", as of September 21st, 2017, new ruling on the Passenger Warning;
Except for single place aircraft, the following placard must be displayed in the aircraft in full view of all occupants: “PASSENGER WARNING—THIS AIRCRAFT DOES NOT COMPLY WITH FEDERAL SAFETY REGULATIONS FOR STANDARD AIRCRAFT.”
Note that Experimental, Light-Sport, or Amateur-Built is no longer required wording. This makes for a more "standardized" placard.
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Mel Asberry, DAR since the last century.
EAA Flight Advisor/Tech Counselor, Friend of the RV-1
Recipient of Tony Bingelis Award and Wright Brothers Master Pilot Award
USAF Vet, High School E-LSA Project Mentor.
RV-6 Flying since 1993 (sold)
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Last edited by Mel : 09-08-2017 at 09:13 AM.
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09-08-2017, 09:08 AM
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I hope this is an April Fools joke a few months early.
Tim
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09-08-2017, 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by tspear
I hope this is an April Fools joke a few months early.
Tim
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Nope, it's in the new FAA Order 8130.2J.
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Mel Asberry, DAR since the last century.
EAA Flight Advisor/Tech Counselor, Friend of the RV-1
Recipient of Tony Bingelis Award and Wright Brothers Master Pilot Award
USAF Vet, High School E-LSA Project Mentor.
RV-6 Flying since 1993 (sold)
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09-08-2017, 09:12 AM
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Is this only for newly certificated E-AB's, or is it retroactive? If retroactive, are new ops lims required?
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09-08-2017, 09:13 AM
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It is NOT retroactive. Everything you have now is still good.
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Mel Asberry, DAR since the last century.
EAA Flight Advisor/Tech Counselor, Friend of the RV-1
Recipient of Tony Bingelis Award and Wright Brothers Master Pilot Award
USAF Vet, High School E-LSA Project Mentor.
RV-6 Flying since 1993 (sold)
<rvmel(at)icloud.com>
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09-08-2017, 09:21 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Tampa, FL
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Originally Posted by tspear
I hope this is an April Fools joke a few months early.
Tim
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Why? All they did was drop the " IS AMATEUR-BUILT" from the current placard. I do hate it though as to me it implies that my aircraft is some how sub-standard.
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09-08-2017, 09:26 AM
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So is my passenger warning on the panel of my yet to be inspected airplane going to cause an issue with the inspector? I used the old wording.
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09-08-2017, 09:28 AM
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Not necessarily so.
Better wording would be:
"This aircraft is not required to conform to...."
I don't remember seeing a notice and comment opportunity on this, if it was deemed a regulatory change.
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09-08-2017, 10:11 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Auburntsts
Why? All they did was drop the " IS AMATEUR-BUILT" from the current placard. I do hate it though as to me it implies that my aircraft is some how sub-standard.
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The "Why" is to somewhat standardize the placard so that a different placard is not required for different category of aircraft. i.e. the same placard works for experimental amateur-built and experimental light-sport aircraft.
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Mel Asberry, DAR since the last century.
EAA Flight Advisor/Tech Counselor, Friend of the RV-1
Recipient of Tony Bingelis Award and Wright Brothers Master Pilot Award
USAF Vet, High School E-LSA Project Mentor.
RV-6 Flying since 1993 (sold)
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09-08-2017, 10:14 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mel
The "Why" is to somewhat standardize the placard so that a different placard is not required for different category of aircraft. i.e. the same placard works for experimental amateur-built and experimental light-sport aircraft.
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Mel I wasn't asking you why - I asking Tim why.
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