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Old 08-18-2017, 03:14 PM
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I think that all pilots should land a taildragger in a 3 point attitude until that sight picture is embedded in their memory. This is the landing attitude that we strive for in all of the planes we fly with a nose gear. Our last RV6A had over 500 hours on the front tire. Jm2cw
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Old 08-18-2017, 04:37 PM
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I couldn't tell from the video whether or not he had an anti-splat nose job installed. Can anyone else tell (or does somebody know)?


Here is an enlarged and cropped image from the video. This item was hanging off near the base of the cowl near the nose gear leg. It falls off prior to the aircraft flipping. Looks like some sort of stiffener to me. You can also see something on gear leg that is not the same color as the gear leg. Could this be where the item was attached? Obvously the gear leg fairing is missing in the image. Either not installed or broke off.

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Old 08-20-2017, 09:31 PM
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I am far from an expert, but thought I would pass along a learning. I routinely hold my nosewheel off on take offs and landings. One thing that I noticed early on is that if the flaps are left out during roll out, the nose wheel comes down quickly. I now retract the flaps once I am on the ground and slowing with the nosewheel still in the air. By doing this, the nose will quickly point up and you have to ease the stick forward a bit to maintain a reasoable AOA. Then modulate to keep the wheel off the ground. This lets me keep the front wheel of the ground for quite a long roll and my nose hits the ground at a noticeably slower speed than with the flaps out. It also provide aerodynamic braking.

While this isn't necessary for a normal landing, it will help you reduce your speed at the nosewheel touchdown in a bad situation, such as an off field landing. My logic is that the slower you are going when the nose wheel digs into a rut in corn field the less velocity involved in the ensuing flip.

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Old 08-21-2017, 05:31 AM
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That's interesting. Never thought of doing that. Anyone else retract their flaps on the landing roll?
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Old 08-21-2017, 05:38 AM
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Anyone else retract their flaps on the landing roll?
Yes, for the same reasons.
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Old 08-21-2017, 05:42 AM
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That's interesting. Never thought of doing that. Anyone else retract their flaps on the landing roll?
Yep, manual flaps raised in an instant, as soon as the mains are down. Took this good advice from Mel.
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Old 08-21-2017, 06:22 AM
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One would have to wonder what if he landed the plane on asphalt or concrete runway? I don't think it would have flipped. Also why would you not shut the engine off and try to horizontal the prop before landing. Just asking.
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Old 08-21-2017, 07:51 AM
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One would have to wonder what if he landed the plane on asphalt or concrete runway? I don't think it would have flipped. Also why would you not shut the engine off and try to horizontal the prop before landing. Just asking.
I'd probably keep it running in case of a go around. You're going to need to inspect the crank no matter what if the prop touches anything.

I agree asphalt or concrete would probably have been better, but the pilot said he was not aware that he had a nose wheel issue when he landed, or he probably would have diverted to a longer hard surface runway.
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One would have to wonder what if he landed the plane on asphalt or concrete runway? I don't think it would have flipped. Also why would you not shut the engine off and try to horizontal the prop before landing. Just asking.
The 3 bladed prop might make that tough.
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Here is an enlarged and cropped image from the video. This item was hanging off near the base of the cowl near the nose gear leg. It falls off prior to the aircraft flipping. Looks like some sort of stiffener to me. You can also see something on gear leg that is not the same color as the gear leg. Could this be where the item was attached? Obvously the gear leg fairing is missing in the image. Either not installed or broke off.

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Might be a wooden stiffener but I don't think it is the antisplat gizmo. The antisplat is tapered on the ends/fatter in the middle.
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