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Old 08-05-2017, 08:12 PM
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Default Looking for IFR retract instruction

Been weighing my options and am looking for suggestions. I am looking for a full immersion IFR program or instruction. Not interested in doing a couple of days a month. Here is the tricky part, would highly prefer it behind a glass panel, G3X (or G900X/G1000) with a GTN 750 would be my first choice since our upcoming project will have that. Dynon would be great also since I currently fly behind that.

High performance, retractable would be a HUGE plus, since I have no retract time and will need that also. We are based at CXP on the west coast but willing to travel for the right combination.

Suggestions anyone??
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Old 08-05-2017, 08:49 PM
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I'm a forty-something, old school type guy buy I'd personally push you towards a mixed concept of less technology upfront(only VOR/DME with HSI?) then finishing with all glass. When sh*t goes wrong the ability to put your finger on the approach plate and know where you are without all the gee whiz stuff is priceless. JMHO.

What are guys doing for partial panel training with the G3X?
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Old 08-05-2017, 08:53 PM
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You might find the perfect combo, but IMHO you have too many variables.

Concentrate on the easiest, least costly fixed price path to an IFR ticket via an accelerated program first, the rest will be easier to figure out.
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Old 08-05-2017, 09:03 PM
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I'm a forty-something, old school type guy buy I'd personally push you towards a mixed concept of less technology upfront(only VOR/DME with HSI?) then finishing with all glass. When sh*t goes wrong the ability to put your finger on the approach plate and know where you are without all the gee whiz stuff is priceless. JMHO.

What are guys doing for partial panel training with the G3X?
That is totally understandable, but I have 400 hours behind glass, and our new project will have glass. Makes more sense to learn behind what I am used to and will be flying.
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Old 08-05-2017, 10:09 PM
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That is totally understandable, but I have 400 hours behind glass, and our new project will have glass. Makes more sense to learn behind what I am used to and will be flying.
I'm a cfii and I'm with Slice on this one. Learn on steam gauges, you'll easily transition back to glass, plus if the magic goes dark you'll know where you are and which way to turn. Learn on glass, and if it goes dark, you'll be lost. Plus there are lots of steam gauge Arrows and 182RGs out there if you need to build RG time.
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Old 08-06-2017, 06:48 AM
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GATTS is probably the best option to meet what you're looking for. I got my IR behind a G1000 so I say the steam vs glass debate isn't really that much of an issue, especially if you plan to fly glass in the future. Either panel will get the job done.
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Old 08-06-2017, 01:20 PM
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Doesen't answer your questions, but I am sure you have already seen this thread http://www.vansairforce.com/communit...d.php?t=152041
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Old 08-06-2017, 03:38 PM
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Default Glass Cockpit Aviation

Look up Cammie Patch. She's in Boise. I trained and took the checkride in the old Archer, but the web page is showing other options, including a retract option.
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Old 08-06-2017, 06:06 PM
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Doesen't answer your questions, but I am sure you have already seen this thread http://www.vansairforce.com/communit...d.php?t=152041
Yes. Read that one. Thank you for all the replies. Will make some calls this week and see if we can get the ball rolling!
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Old 08-06-2017, 09:47 PM
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That is totally understandable, but I have 400 hours behind glass, and our new project will have glass. Makes more sense to learn behind what I am used to and will be flying.
I got my IFR ticket this spring and did it in my plane. I did all of my training in a glass environment and have no regrets. Granted, I don't feel comfortable flying IFR behind a steam panel, but don't believe I'll ever need that. Why learn in an environment that won't fully prepare you for your plane. You'll need to do some acclimating to the glass environment before you are comfortable with it and fully leverage it. Granted, I am sure it is not difficult but why not learn in your environment. I uncovered many tricks to using the features of my setup during training that make me a better pilot. For example, I never used wind correction methods. I learned how to interpret the numerous track based indicators to stay on my course. Also, all of the buttonology was burned into my head along with the IFR basics while I was with an instructor.

There are also benefits to learning in your plane if you are building a 4,6,7, or 8. The pitch and roll excursions happen real fast in these planes and I was very glad that I established the right disciplines during my early attitude flight training.

Best of luck in your pursuits. I thought the Instrument training was a very satisfying challenge.

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