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Old 07-19-2017, 12:06 PM
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Default RV-12 used market values

Azjulian, what you just said tends to agree with Cactuspilot's statement that values of used RV-12's may decline. If others, decide to sell their existing 12 in order to build a new RV-12iS, that will increase the supply of used 12's on the market, causing a reduction in price.

However I have to agree with you that we should welcome the newer technology. I am very happy to see that the RV-12 will be available with fuel injection.
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Old 07-19-2017, 12:06 PM
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Default 'New' - 12

Van's has up graded the 12 kit and in my opinion, this is good. The fact that the upgrade makes my still to be completed and flown 12 kit obsolete is real but the facts are that I still will have an excellent airplane when I finish and fly it. The upgrade will cost me some $$$ when I sell my 12 but this is life. I applaud Van's here.

Van's has incorporated almost every upgrade item into the 'new' 12 that I have lobbied for here on the VAF. I would have appreciated a 25 gallon gas tank but Van's knows what they are doing and so, I conclude that this is not such a good idea.

Bottom line, my 12 kit when finished, will fly well and do a great job for me. If I want an upgraded 12, I can build one.

These changes will blow away the competition in the ELSA kit business for years! I'm happy for all those who will build the 'newer' 12 and for Van's - a great improvement and an excellent business decision.

This 'new' 12 will, in my opinion, become the C-152 of the future.
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Old 07-19-2017, 01:07 PM
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All your points make sense. I have just noticed recently a huge drop in the asking prices of RV12s on Barnstormers and elsewhere and I was wondering why....now I know.
BasicMed is why, I think. A lot of RV-12 owners can now fly something heavier and faster, and some will want to do so. I know if I qualified I'd more than likely have my 12 up for sale, and be looking for a 7 or a 9.

The 12 is a really nice aircraft, and the prices for most of the ones I've seen for sale are quite frankly quite a bargain.
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Old 07-19-2017, 02:16 PM
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Are there plans to offer a non ELSA version for IFR flight?
ELSA or not is the builders decision. If you register as EAB (Experimental Amateur Built) you have to do a 40 hour Phase 1 (vs 5 hours for ELSA). The 'good' news is as an EAB you aren't limited to building exactly per plans, and can add whatever equipment you want.
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Old 07-19-2017, 02:33 PM
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Talking Punched in the gut

All the praises of the 12 ULS are well deserved. And the new IS looks like a SWEET ride. I'll admit I felt like I had just been punched in the gut when news broke. A little heads up would have been appreciated. But then that's not good for business I guess. Leaving for OSH in the morning. I'll go straight to the IS when the gates open, might even shed a tear or two, that I won't have one. i'll lobby for a discounted price for the obsolete engine pkg. then when I get back to Jonesboro Ar, I'll put that OLE RV grin on my face (cause I'm really close to finishing) and get back to work. Can't wait to FLY that puppy. Wouldn't have missed bending those longerons for nothing (all three of them) Did I mention they should discount the obsolete engine pkg. When ya buy a car at the end of a model year, you know your going to miss out on the new model. But with kits you don't know when the model year ends. Oh well, Maybe they should just discount the obsolete engine pkg. Sorry that just keeps popping up, these iPhones seem to know what your thinking these days. See everyone at OSH

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Old 07-19-2017, 03:03 PM
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It will be interesting to see how the real world fuel consumption figures (and climb/cruise speeds) compare between the ULS and iS on what is essentially an identical airframe.

Personally, I don't have a problem with the carbs (and at work we maintain quite a few Rotax powered aircraft) - floats aside... Certainly, it is a simpler fuel system than the iS installation.

One thought on the idea of wing mounted fuel tanks - it's a lot easier removing the wings when they don't have fuel in them!

PS It's always good to see product improvement and great that Van's takes note of what their customers want and suggest and I don't really think it will harm the value of the RV-12 ULS.
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Old 07-19-2017, 03:44 PM
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Maybe Scott can answer this: I just took delivery of the "old fuselage kit" a couple months ago. It's still in the crate, unopened. Due to my work, I haven't had time or space to open it up and do the inventory check. I was not made aware of the new kit when I ordered this one. I'm wondering if I pay for the shipping back to Van's, if I could exchange for the new kit? Thanks
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Old 07-19-2017, 04:02 PM
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i'll lobby for a discounted price for the obsolete engine pkg.....
912iS pkg $32.825k, 912 ULS pkg $27.825k - There's your discount
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Old 07-19-2017, 04:14 PM
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I don't want no stink'n slow siphon. I dump 5 gallons into the RV-12 in less than a minute. This won't be possible with the new filler neck relocation...
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Actually the new filler location was designed with filling by fuel jug in mind.
It was tested during the prototyping process and it is definitely doable.
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Old 07-19-2017, 04:17 PM
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Yes improvements to prevent breach of the tank were made.
A video will be posted to the web site soon that shows a main gear leg separation test being done that resulted in zero damage to the fuel tank.

I believe the plan is for pre-built tanks to be available for the iS fuselage.
Link to the mentioned video......

https://youtu.be/yFfLBz2AVcw

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