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06-21-2017, 01:30 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2005
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Exactly! 
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06-21-2017, 01:41 PM
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Scott did give me a tip sometime back that was helpful when flying with short wing RV's.
Measure distance from the wing root to the outboard aileron hinge on a -7. Then place a small piece of tape on the bottom of your aileron at the same distance. That will help your wingman hold position relative to the other planes in the formation.
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RV-9 (Yes, it's a dragon tail)
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06-21-2017, 02:16 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Utah
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Originally Posted by scard
Just requires a superior pilot since everybody else is cheating! 
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  Scooty I just spilled a good drink on my efis. How could I improve my awesomeness?  
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06-21-2017, 04:06 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Cedar Park, TX
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Quote:
Originally Posted by N941WR
Scott fid give me a tip sometime back that was helpful when flying with short wing RV's.
Measure distance from the wing root to the outboard aileron hinge on a -7. Then place a small piece of tape on the bottom of your aileron at the same distance. That will help your wingman hold position relative to the other planes in the formation.
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Yep. Only for training purposes of new wingmen. And when they think they're going to get away with being sucked by some silly comment like "but you have an extra foot of wing sticking out there..." I always bark back "Sucked is sucked, now suck it up buttercup and get back in and don't hit Lead." That is usually the last I hear about that.
Falcon has never complained a single time about having a -9 in our performance. Neither should any other Lead. As long as we're all here to have FUN! (right?)
Good conversation!
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RV-9A N4822C flying 2200+hrs. / Cedar Park, TX
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06-21-2017, 06:29 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: SC
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The comments regarding FP vs. CS props, while important is not unique to the -9. However, this should be discussed in the briefing.
The only time I have had an issue because of my FP prop was going into Ellington as a flight when lead pulled off all the power for landing and I went sailing on by. Full rudder helped but I still tool a long time to get down. Good thing I was #4.
The only time I had an issue due to my long wing was when leading a flight with four very experienced wingmen. We briefed that I was to make a climbing left turn at 120 knots and the would join up. (All RV-6, 7, & 8's.) Their assumption was that since the had CS props and I had a FP prop the would quickly join up. What they didn't realize was that although I had a cruise prop, 180+ hp and the Ronz airfoil was in its sweet spot and I had to pull a lot of power off so they could join up. Even then it took 2-1/2 circles to get them tucked in.
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RV-9 (Yes, it's a dragon tail)
O-360 w/ dual P-mags
Build the plane you want, not the plane others want you to build!
SC86 - Easley, SC
www.repucci.com/bill/baf.html
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06-21-2017, 07:00 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2006
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Two and a half circles seems a lot to join up a formation after take-off. Do you give your wingers some power to play with? (Sorry about the dangling participle... Easier to say that way)
We do a bit of formation here* and when I'm leading (180 HP, FP), I use 2300 RPM for the climb at around 105 - 115 Kt. Because of the hills surrounding our airport, we normally climb straight ahead for about 2 miles at which point our four ship has joined up.
In flat country and 2 X two ship departures, I would initiate a turn about a mile off the end of the runway and expect three and four to come aboard during the turn.
It IS a lot of fun, isn't it? (;>0)
*Other aircraft: RV-9A (160 HP, FP), RV-4 (160 HP, FP) RV-7A (180 HP, FP)
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06-21-2017, 07:07 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2006
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As to wing position, we use the inboard aileron hinge on fuselage/engine cowl line. Easy to see. With the differing ailerons widths, this means the formation is not quite symmetrical, but our audience can't tell the difference anyway! (;>0)
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06-21-2017, 08:41 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Schooner69
Two and a half circles seems a lot to join up a formation after take-off. Do you give your wingers some power to play with? (Sorry about the dangling participle... Easier to say that way)
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*Other aircraft: RV-9A (160 HP, FP), RV-4 (160 HP, FP) RV-7A (180 HP, FP)
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I think I caught them by surprise and 120 knots is a bit fast, but that's what they wanted.
Remember, a -9 with the same power will out climb a short wing RV.
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Bill R.
RV-9 (Yes, it's a dragon tail)
O-360 w/ dual P-mags
Build the plane you want, not the plane others want you to build!
SC86 - Easley, SC
www.repucci.com/bill/baf.html
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06-22-2017, 06:41 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: NC25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by N941WR
I think I caught them by surprise and 120 knots is a bit fast, but that's what they wanted.
Remember, a -9 with the same power will out climb a short wing RV.
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There are a lot of people that think an RV-6(A) with the same horsepower is faster than an RV-9(A) when they have the same HP and type prop. That is NOT true. The RV-9A 320 / CS is just as fast as my RV-6 320 / CS. The RV-9A also can fly slower but it can also fly just as fast.
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06-22-2017, 09:43 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: SC
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Originally Posted by RV6_flyer
There are a lot of people that think an RV-6(A) with the same horsepower is faster than an RV-9(A) when they have the same HP and type prop. That is NOT true. The RV-9A 320 / CS is just as fast as my RV-6 320 / CS. The RV-9A also can fly slower but it can also fly just as fast.
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I'm not surprised at all. If you are not into aerobatics, the -9's wing is AMAZING!
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Bill R.
RV-9 (Yes, it's a dragon tail)
O-360 w/ dual P-mags
Build the plane you want, not the plane others want you to build!
SC86 - Easley, SC
www.repucci.com/bill/baf.html
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