Nav Canada Question

[Flying Canuck]

Originally Posted by roadrunner20

I wouldn't mind paying the annual user fee, if they do remove the .193/gl fuel excise tax.
But, gov rarely removes a tax once implemented, it will probably be an additional fee.
It sounds like it's working well with our Canadian RVers.

That excise tax is a bargain. $0.10/L in Canada, which works out to about 28 US cents per gallon. And that's just the federal excise tax. The provinces add their own excise taxes ranging from $0.062/L to $0.33/L. On top of that add federal sales tax of 5% or harmonized sales tax in some provinces of 14-15%. All in, taxes run between C$0.64/gal and C$1.83/gal. I don't think much of that revenue makes its way back into aviation.

It doesn't matter much to me while I'm building and renting, and $70/yr will hardly register as an expense once I am flying. Not looking forward to buying AVGAS though, local price is about US$4.66/gal which is not that bad I guess.

[flyboy1963]

I may be off base here, but many of the airports' ramp or landing fees may not be 'NavCan', but the local airport authority, funding runway paving .....or a new parkade!

[rv8bldr]

Originally Posted by flyboy1963

I may be off base here, but many of the airports' ramp or landing fees may not be 'NavCan', but the local airport authority, funding runway paving .....or a new parkade!

Agreed. I didn't mean to imply that they were necessarily Nav Canada fees. Sorry. I was trying to show that other fees had started to appear as well. I know that while Toronto Billy Bishop, Hamilton, etc have landing fees, Halifax International does not because there are no other GA airports nearby.

[RV7A Flyer]

I'd still like to hear from someone in Europe about their experiences.

It's my understanding that there are considerably more fees (landing fees, parking fees, handling fees, fees for each approach, etc.) in effect, but that's just what I read.

It'd be good to hear from someone who actually *knows* what the deal is there...

[Mark Albery]

Originally Posted by RV7A Flyer

I'd still like to hear from someone in Europe about their experiences.

It's my understanding that there are considerably more fees (landing fees, parking fees, handling fees, fees for each approach, etc.) in effect, but that's just what I read.

It'd be good to hear from someone who actually *knows* what the deal is there...

ATC in Europe is self financing, but the good news is that VFR and IFR (below 2T MTOW) is free for en-route. VFR advisory services vary a lot from country to country and you'll likely change squawk with every frequency change.
There are exceptions such as Galway charges for a VFR zone transit - I hope no one ever gets their call sign confused!!!

Approach fees are usually charged by airports for IFR arrivals, and all arrivals pay landing fees depending on the size, facilities and greed of the operator as there is little public funding of airports.

In general, you can avoid most fees by flying VFR or IFR in Class G airspace and avoiding larger airports.

Smaller airports still have to pay their way, which means paying about ?5-10 per landing at typical small VFR only airfields.

[Saber25]

Hearing GA experiences from Europe may be slow in coming. While on a five week self guided tour of seven countries several years ago, we observed one general aircraft touring the beaches at Normandy.

A friend in Germany with a legal career and above average pay, finds the costs even in a club airplane to be excessive. He has in the past few years substituted sailing for flying.

Cheers, Hans

[FLTENG]

Originally Posted by rv8bldr

Agreed. I didn't mean to imply that they were necessarily Nav Canada fees. Sorry. I was trying to show that other fees had started to appear as well. I know that while Toronto Billy Bishop, Hamilton, etc have landing fees, Halifax International does not because there are no other GA airports nearby.

Yes I agree, however on my last xcountry to the east coast was going to land YHZ because of no landing fees however found that the FBO's charged a fee to park on there ramps........and they literally own all the ramp space where a GA aircraft could park

[tomkk]

http://www.planeandpilotmag.com/goin...ocks-ga-world/

[rv8bldr]

Originally Posted by FLTENG

Yes I agree, however on my last xcountry to the east coast was going to land YHZ because of no landing fees however found that the FBO's charged a fee to park on there ramps........and they literally own all the ramp space where a GA aircraft could park

Yep, I discovered that a few years ago. Innovation Aviation (I think that is where I parked) gave me a night free when I bought fuel from them, but I had to pay for the other nights.