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05-26-2017, 06:48 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Gold Hill NC
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We have a similar problem with A kit from a different manufacture. My dad got it with a bill of sale from the previous owner that is not the builder. It has no link to the manufacture. Our problem is that they are out of business. So we have nothing.
I started with a call to Vic Syracuse. As usual he was very helpfull. He told me to call Oaklahoma City. They are the only ones that can help. Tell them what you have and they will tell you if they will register it and how to if so.
Yours will be easy. You can call and get plans. I cannot call factory and have been trying to buy used ones with no luck So we are donating it to a museum.
Defanantly glad that my project is from Vans.
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05-26-2017, 07:33 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Milford, Ca,
Posts: 37
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Thank you,
That's great information.
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05-27-2017, 08:50 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Victoria, BC, Canada
Posts: 3,932
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mel
The following is directly from FAA Order 8130.2H:
b. Statement of Eligibility. The applicant must submit a notarized FAA Form 8130-12,
Eligibility Statement, Amateur-Built Aircraft (refer to figure 4-7 of this order), certifying the
major portion was fabricated and assembled for educational or recreational purposes.
(1) The form specifies that an amateur builder identify if commercial assistance was
used in the construction of the aircraft and identify the source of the assistance.
(2) Evidence and records must be available to support these statements and provided to
the FAA upon request.
(3) Records that are typically requested are listed in paragraph 459e of this order.
The order goes on to say that the inspector may ask questions about the build process in order to confirm that the applicant did indeed build the aircraft.
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Mel, maybe you don't know this but i'll ask anyway... How does the FAA deal with a project that gets sold to a second (or maybe third) builder during it's life prior to completion? Can multiple people have worked on the project in serial, as "education or recreation" but decide it's not for them (or maybe one builder passes away) and pass it on to someone else? At the end of the day the airplane still is 51% amateur built, but maybe that's 20% by one person, 20% by another, 11% by another.
I'm guessing as long as there are some photos showing assembly along the way that this could still be registered and flown without too much trouble, although the final person who gets it done wouldn't be able to apply for the repairman's certificate. Is that right?
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Rob Prior
1996 RV-6 "Tweety" C-FRBP (formerly N196RV)
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05-27-2017, 09:17 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Dallas area
Posts: 10,769
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowflake
Mel, maybe you don't know this but i'll ask anyway... How does the FAA deal with a project that gets sold to a second (or maybe third) builder during it's life prior to completion? Can multiple people have worked on the project in serial, as "education or recreation" but decide it's not for them (or maybe one builder passes away) and pass it on to someone else? At the end of the day the airplane still is 51% amateur built, but maybe that's 20% by one person, 20% by another, 11% by another.
I'm guessing as long as there are some photos showing assembly along the way that this could still be registered and flown without too much trouble, although the final person who gets it done wouldn't be able to apply for the repairman's certificate. Is that right?
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Any number of people can build an amateur-built aircraft. It's just that the aircraft must be 51% amateur-built.
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Mel Asberry, DAR since the last century.
EAA Flight Advisor/Tech Counselor, Friend of the RV-1
Recipient of Tony Bingelis Award and Wright Brothers Master Pilot Award
USAF Vet, High School E-LSA Project Mentor.
RV-6 Flying since 1993 (sold)
<rvmel(at)icloud.com>
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05-27-2017, 07:25 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Davis, CA
Posts: 1,156
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowflake
Mel, maybe you don't know this but i'll ask anyway... How does the FAA deal with a project that gets sold to a second (or maybe third) builder during it's life prior to completion? Can multiple people have worked on the project in serial, as "education or recreation" but decide it's not for them (or maybe one builder passes away) and pass it on to someone else? At the end of the day the airplane still is 51% amateur built, but maybe that's 20% by one person, 20% by another, 11% by another.
I'm guessing as long as there are some photos showing assembly along the way that this could still be registered and flown without too much trouble, although the final person who gets it done wouldn't be able to apply for the repairman's certificate. Is that right?
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Adding to what Mel reported, I just went through this. Got the airworthiness certificate for an RV-9A a week ago, a plane that a friend (RIP) started and I finished. Both of us are listed as builders on 8130-12, though since he isn't around anymore, I represented the aircraft to the DAR and I'm the listed manufacturer in the FAA records. Apart from the mental anguish of not having my friend around to see his dream come true, it was no big deal. I won't be applying for the repairman certificate, can't comment on that.
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Lars Pedersen
Davis, CA
RV-7 Flying as of June 24, 2012
960+ hours as of June 30, 2020. Where did the time go?
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05-27-2017, 08:23 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Livermore, CA
Posts: 6,797
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I believe anyone, but only one, of the builders may apply for the repairman certificate. The FAA reserves the right to approve or deny based on that person's knowledge.
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