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04-18-2017, 05:57 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2007
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I don't think there is a 4-seater out there which will let you take 4 pax, full fuel and 100lb of baggage...........
I think part of the answer is to shed some lbs - win-win  
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04-18-2017, 09:02 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Hastings, MN
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Quote:
Originally Posted by paul330
I don't think there is a 4-seater out there which will let you take 4 pax, full fuel and 100lb of baggage...........
I think part of the answer is to shed some lbs - win-win  
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And the cheapest place to shed weight??
The biggest variable is how big the people are. I can't bring 3 300lb friends with full fuel and baggage. But many times, my wife and I will bring along another couple for a day trip, and with full fuel we could easily take on another 100 in the baggage compartment. You do need to be cautious with the CG, and I built my plane to have as much of it's empty weight forward as possible, as pretty much anything you put in the plane pulls the CG aft.
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04-18-2017, 09:21 AM
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Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Mesa Arizona
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I cut my professional flying career flying river runners out of the Grand Canyon in Cessna 207's where the weigh-ins were done at the initial launch and not after a week of eating like kings and collecting pretty river rocks in the bottom of their duffle bags. Sometimes those return flights felt like they were balanced atop a bowling ball.
Like a lot of folks, I listed my Rv10 max at 2800 and would not hesitate to do it again. It is imperative to fly within the envelope and I would never suggest otherwise, but a couple of times I've been on the ragged edge of weight and/or density altitude and the RV10 performance definitely degrades from spectacular to merely impressive. That wing is a jewel. It is the most capable 4 seater I've ever flown, but you still have to fly safe and smart.
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04-18-2017, 11:31 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Lynn Haven, FL
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The 'FAA Standard People' is based on the FAA's standard of 170 lbs per person, so 680 lbs vs your calculation using 225 per person. I haven't been FAA Standard Size since I got married 30 years ago!!
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04-20-2017, 06:45 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Columbia
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Hi All-
Well it sounds like my logic is sound even if my waistline is not. The answer lies in a combination of me dropping 15 pounds, upping the gross to 2800, and not taking the biggest couple we can find for dinner dates.
That said, I thank you for the insight on the CG issues that are dynamic across a long flight. Good to know.
Thanks again,
-Scott
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05-02-2017, 04:40 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: KAVL
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I just found out the FAA has increased their definition of a standard weight person from 170 pounds to 190. Anyone else heard of this? My inspector informed me about this after reviewing my weight and balance worksheet.
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05-02-2017, 05:14 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Sunman, IN
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Yep
That happened awhile ago...
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05-02-2017, 05:18 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Mesa Arizona
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In the airline world, a standard weight person is 5lbs heavier in the winter time do to (in FAA logic) heavier clothes and coats.
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05-04-2017, 08:21 AM
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Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Ogden or St George, Utah
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Quote:
Originally Posted by paul330
I don't think there is a 4-seater out there which will let you take 4 pax, full fuel and 100lb of baggage
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My Cherokee 235 has a useful load of 1420 lbs. I can carry 4 x 190 lb people, 84 gals fuel, and 156 lbs of baggage. That's a range of over 770 nm. If I only fill the mains (50 gal), I can put 4 x 230 lb people, 200 lbs of baggage, and still go about 400 nm. All of this comfortably in the CG envelope. Sure, I'm only going 134 kts in cruise and not 160. I thought long and hard about building a 10. But 95% of the time it's just the wife and I going. This is why I decided to keep the Cherokee and build the cheaper RV-7A. Plus with the 7, I can go out and do some acro if I want.
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05-04-2017, 08:55 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Tampa, FL
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My RV-10 (GW 2700) can do four 190lbs folks but only if I limit myself to 45 gallons of gas (that's a tank and a half) and no more than 20lbs of luggage (or a few more gallons and no luggage). In this config I'll get an approximate no-wind range of 590nm with VFR reserves.
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