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01-18-2017, 02:58 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Estes Park, CO
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Originally Posted by rockwoodrv9
Has anyone tried the 3M 16580 Accuspray Spray Gun System? I saw it used on Overhauling and noticed they were able to spray upside down. I have a high end DeVliss(sp?) but just ordered one of these to try.
I am interested if anyone has any experience with this gun.
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I have a DeVilbiss FLG and use the 3M PPS. Love both. As mentioned, painting takes some practice. I do recommend the MicroAir regulator at the gun. Painting is about consistency so a good regulator is a must to keep pressure from changing.
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01-18-2017, 03:27 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: TN
Posts: 42
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Turbine System does not work
I want to second what Canadian Joy posted about using a turbine system. I had exactly the same experience. I told them up front what I was going to use to spray. They gave me specifics on how to do it with my equipment (Croix Turbine). Very bad results. Pretty much put me off their products, except for the fabric glue. I am back to Airtech products, and now use a Devilbiss Plus gun with exceptional results. The turbine products just don't compare. If you use SS, then use their recommended equipment.
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01-18-2017, 04:24 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Schaumburg, IL
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Originally Posted by NYTOM
Thank you for all the replies.  After all the years and hard earned money I've spent building my dream I'd hate to wrap it in a poor paint job. Technique is very important but in the case of water based paints I have read many places where more expensive equipment = a better job. I have painted many cars and trucks plus one plane with excellent results using solvent based paints with a cheap Binks clone gun but this seems to be a entirely different animal. I guess I was hoping someone was going to reveal the name of a super DeVillbiss clone. I've decided to go with the gun Stewart System sells and possibly sell it on EBay when the planes completed. Stay tuned,photos to follow.....if I don't royally screw it up. 
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If you're concerned with the outcome, I would experiment with the SS paint first and make sure you can master. it. While I have no experience with them, I am told that waterborne 2K paints are a different technique and take a bit to master them. If you haven't bought the paint, I would consider a base/clear approach with solvent based products. As you have learned, they are pretty forgiving for the amateur painter. I found a clear that is a high quality and quite forgiving on technique.
Larry
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01-18-2017, 07:18 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Raleigh, North Carolina
Posts: 1,128
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Originally Posted by lr172
If you're concerned with the outcome, I would experiment with the SS paint first and make sure you can master. it. While I have no experience with them, I am told that waterborne 2K paints are a different technique and take a bit to master them. If you haven't bought the paint, I would consider a base/clear approach with solvent based products. As you have learned, they are pretty forgiving for the amateur painter. I found a clear that is a high quality and quite forgiving on technique.
Larry
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Larry I've had extremely good results with Deltron base/ clear paint but it's the smell / chemical clean up I was hoping to get away from. In fact a PPG tech gave me a tip to achieve a awesome wet look with minimal paint which I used on my last plane. I have seen some water borne paint jobs that were indistinguishable from solvent ones which is why I'm willing to try the Stewart System. Another solvent job just might be enough to cause my wife to "accidentally" run into my project with her SUV.
I ordered the practice kit that SS offers and hope it lives up to my expectations.
If the test goes south I'll probably go back to my old friend Deltron and just deal with the fallout. I used to do all my painting after midnight so my neighbors wouldn't get wise to what I was doing and freak out. Either way, the Devilbiss HVLP ProLite will be put to good use.
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01-18-2017, 07:54 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Schaumburg, IL
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Originally Posted by NYTOM
. I used to do all my painting after midnight so my neighbors wouldn't get wise to what I was doing and freak out.
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I hear ya. I had the police show up at my door twice during painting my plane. She told them I was poisoning her. I told the police to remind her that she lives one mile from three paints shops that spray gallons per day, whether she smells it or not.
I know that that waterborne can be sprayed to look as nice as solvent. I am just not sure how much practice and trail & error is necessary to do so. If it were an easy transition, I don't think you'd be seeing the resistance to moving to waterborne that exists today.
Larry
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03-04-2017, 06:51 AM
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Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Raleigh, North Carolina
Posts: 1,128
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Stewart Systems update
Using a DeVilbiss Tekna Prolite I've finally gained enough experience to start painting my tail and control surfaces. For anyone considering doing their own painting I highly recommend this system.
There definitely is a learning curve especially if you have solvent paint experience but the benefits outweigh the the extra learning time. It seems like there is a sweet spot in the learning curve where you go from major runs to almost impossible to make it run. Especially if your painting in your garage and want to keep your marriage intact.
I practiced on multiple old aircraft panels and doors and probably went through a quart in small test batches to get the procedure down. Following directions as close as you can will result in a extremely nice finish. Not like some of those 15K+ paint masterpieces you see at Oshkosh but a very acceptable finish which is closer to a standard Cessna factory finish.
This paint just doesn't behave like any paint I have ever used. After painting my V stab with a dark blue color which I had read was difficult to use I ended up with what I considered major orange peel. I settled for it and decided to move on to get the plane done. The next morning when I went out to inspect it, the paint had flattened out to a beautiful gloss finish. And has done so since on every part I have painted. I have learned to do the best spray job I can and then just close the booth door and wait 24 hours. Haven't been disappointed yet.
But the absolute best thing that I like about this paint is that after coming in the house after I was out in my "attached garage" spraying for about a hour straight
my wife asked me what I was doing and wanted to know when I was going to start painting.   
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03-04-2017, 07:43 AM
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Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Oregon
Posts: 801
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spray guns
I am pretty new to the forum, but I wanted to throw in my pick for a spray gun brand.
SATA makes some of the best equipment out there. I have used their stuff for years and find it awesome. I used the smaller capacity guns, but the big boys are second to none.
SATA Jet 5000 B HVLP
IWATA would be my close second choice if you want a gun under a grand.
Both companies make guns around the $5-$800 marks. These two are in the 1K field
Just my .02...
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03-04-2017, 07:48 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Lemoore, CA
Posts: 286
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NYTOM Re: Post 14
Can you tell us what the "tip" was from the PPG tech rep for a fine "wet look" finish?
Thx
HFS
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03-04-2017, 07:58 AM
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Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: New Braunfels
Posts: 299
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Has anyone tried the 3M 16580 Accuspray Spray Gun System? I saw it used on Overhauling and noticed they were able to spray upside down. I have a high end DeVliss(sp?) but just ordered one of these to try.
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I bought the 3M Accuspray gun system to spray primer with. I have a high end Binks gun that I only use for clear coats on furniture and didn't want to put any "colors" through it.
IMO, the 3M system is AWESOME!! It sprays great AND is by FAR the easiest gun ever to clean. Less than 2 minutes after using, it's clean and ready for storage. I may never use my Binks again.
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03-04-2017, 09:20 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: 57AZ - NW Tucson area
Posts: 10,011
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rvanstory
I bought the 3M Accuspray gun system to spray primer with. I have a high end Binks gun that I only use for clear coats on furniture and didn't want to put any "colors" through it.
IMO, the 3M system is AWESOME!! It sprays great AND is by FAR the easiest gun ever to clean. Less than 2 minutes after using, it's clean and ready for storage. I may never use my Binks again.
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How many uses do you get out of each tip?
IIRC the literature said each one was good for 5 uses before disposal.
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Gil Alexander
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