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Old 02-04-2017, 03:57 PM
Aggie78 Aggie78 is offline
 
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Chill with the self righteous RV vigilantism. Nothing too noteworthy happened here except for some hurt feelings.
I disagree...

First off, I've got a lot of time leading and on the wing from my military days, So I've been around the block a time or two regarding formation and I am not a "hater" regarding the subject. In fact, I enjoy it in my RV, when I've been given the opportunity.

Others outside the RV community (or for that matter non-aviators in general) don't take the same view. Far from it, in fact.

My wife would be very worried with this kind of proximity to another aircraft, and I would be very p*ssed off that someone would approach close enough to trigger that emotion in her after I've worked very hard to settle her fears about flying with me and things RV-aviation-related.

Sounds like this was handled on the ground with civility...I can only hope that I'd act the same way...but gotta admit, I'd be seeing red...
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Old 02-04-2017, 03:58 PM
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The rv8 driver who said that you don't use radio at that fly-in could have answered the radio call and made for less radio use by the pilot he was crowding, there would not have been repeated calls.
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Old 02-04-2017, 04:06 PM
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I disagree...

First off, I've got a lot of time leading and on the wing from my military days, So I've been around the block a time or two regarding formation and I am not a "hater" regarding the subject. In fact, I enjoy it in my RV, when I've been given the opportunity.

Others outside the RV community (or for that matter non-aviators in general) don't take the same view. Far from it, in fact.

My wife would be very worried with this kind of proximity to another aircraft, and I would be very p*ssed off that someone would approach close enough to trigger that emotion in her after I've worked very hard to settle her fears about flying with me and things RV-aviation-related.

Sounds like this was handled on the ground with civility...I can only hope that I'd act the same way...but gotta admit, I'd be seeing red...
I get that, totally....just not calling the FAA and **** like that over this. Discussion was had in person.
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Old 02-04-2017, 04:15 PM
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I get that, totally....just not calling the FAA and **** like that over this. Discussion was had in person.
Got it and concur.

Limitations of posting on a website is a relative inability to determine "tone". I was getting a different vibe when reading your posting from what you were attempting to convey.

Talk first. FAA only as a last resort to prevent injury or save a life...

Thanks for clarifying.
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Old 02-04-2017, 05:46 PM
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I love RVs and basically all homebuilts. I cannot be impressed by anything the breed can do more than their operators fitting in and doing it correctly in the air and on the ground.

Good on you for speaking up both in the air while flying properly and on the ground to the offender.

Though RVs and pilots are rare in the world, none are rare enough or cool enough to merit their own code at a gathering in the USA.

I liken this to my first airshow briefing by the late Bill Dodds. He asked if I was going to do anything noteworthy with my vanilla S1S and newly minted 800' card. I said no, sir. He said- good news- wind is off the crowdline. Bad news, I'm going to come out to watch you land in the crosswinds!

I knew right there I was only to impress the pilots I respected if not feared by fitting in and flying cleanly. That lesson over 20 years ago serves me well to this day

May your talk prove as effective.

If it matters, also a military formation lead in my youth. I had friends that should have been there today in slow, blind cabin Wacos, flying by the book.
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Old 02-04-2017, 06:04 PM
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Bill, that is why I installed 2 AIM 9s. And a centerline 20 mm. On my RV 9A. If I can't catch-em I can shoot em! Next will be chaff and flare. Oh'. Just finished up with the ECM mods. I think I am ready for Oshkosh!
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Old 02-04-2017, 06:09 PM
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I liken this to my first airshow briefing by the late Bill Dodds. ..

If it matters, also a military formation lead in my youth. I had friends that should have been there today in slow, blind cabin Wacos, flying by the book.
Now there is name I haven't heard in a long time. He was a good man!

Bob & Barb P. were there with theirs as Jim W. and his wife. There was a third Cabin WACO there and I met the owner but don't recall his name.

It was a good fly in and we'll attended.
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Old 02-04-2017, 06:16 PM
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Bummer we didn't catch up!
I should have called. Next time for sure.
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Old 02-04-2017, 06:22 PM
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You can as JW about RK anytime, it is he of whom I spoke. I know folks that hold an FAA safety FAAST team middle-ground card- they might also serve as non-official intermediaries in such a situation against someone unapproachable.

The one I know is rebuliding a Rocket, has a T-6 and was my Pitts instructor.
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Old 02-04-2017, 07:41 PM
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Default There i was....

I remember flying gliders at Rosamond in the late 70's ( i solo'd when i was 4 :-) ). My first time in a thermal with Paul Bickle i kept on bailing out Because i thought we were getting too close. Afterwards,on the ground, Paul asked what I was doing. He said that he had me in sight the whole time and there was no need to bail. I trusted him so never did that again. But if it was somebody else propably would bail again.

In my opinion it takes two to tangle. I doesnt matter who is right or who is wrong. Each of us is responsible for a safe flight. If i ever feel un comfortable with a situation. I hope i am a good enough pilot to recognize and resolve the conflict
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