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Old 02-01-2017, 10:49 AM
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The unit works just fine, with the exception of the display output.
Bob, I tried to wire (on my ADS600-B) a Bluetooth adapter and a WIFI adapter to Display 1 and Display 2 (so as to have my choice of either) and I found out, using sniffers and other means, that Display 2 does not send out TIS-B, only Position. I spoke with Bill on the phone and he was insistent that if it showed up on the "reports" screen, it is being output to all three Display outputs, end of discussion. I did try it with multiple iPads (WingX) and multiple Androids and Andriod apps, and Display 2 never would send out TIS-B. Even the raw data showed position only. I enjoyed speaking with Bill, but on some issues, I believe he might have the propensity to deny the existence of bugs or hardware issues as he did with Display 2 output. It is, after all, calling his baby ugly.
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Old 02-01-2017, 10:50 AM
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I know nothing about the man or his priorities. But I do know ... the owner is on a cruise.
When I spoke with Bill last week, he was surprised to learn that he had been on a cruise.

It turns out that he did go for a whale-watching boat ride while on vacation, but he never took a cruise. (He did take a call from a NavWorx customer while on vacation and apparently this was the source of the "cruise" rumor. He mentioned the boat during the call to explain some of the background noise.)

To quote an old friend, "It's not that we don't know. It's that what we know just isn't so."

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Old 02-01-2017, 11:17 AM
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Bob, I tried to wire (on my ADS600-B) a Bluetooth adapter and a WIFI adapter to Display 1 and Display 2 (so as to have my choice of either) and I found out, using sniffers and other means, that Display 2 does not send out TIS-B, only Position. I spoke with Bill on the phone and he was insistent that if it showed up on the "reports" screen, it is being output to all three Display outputs, end of discussion. I did try it with multiple iPads (WingX) and multiple Androids and Andriod apps, and Display 2 never would send out TIS-B. Even the raw data showed position only. I enjoyed speaking with Bill, but on some issues, I believe he might have the propensity to deny the existence of bugs or hardware issues as he did with Display 2 output. It is, after all, calling his baby ugly.
Interesting........

I never hooked up my wifi to display 2, but was about ready to when the display 1 issues started occurring. I'd would have been really pissed if all I got was position data, with no traffic or weather. That certainly is contrary to what's implied in the manual.

I've advised Bill on numerous occasions over the last four or five years, he really needs to provide a support forum on his site. Most of his users are pretty tech savvy, especially the early adopters. Users helping other users would take a tremendous burden off his support. It was also give him a place to disseminate information in a controlled environment. For what ever reason, not communicated to me, he didn't think it was added value.
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Old 02-01-2017, 12:22 PM
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Hmmm ...

"It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so." - Mark Twain

"It isn't what we don't know that gives us trouble, it's what we know that ain't so." - Will Rogers
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Old 02-01-2017, 12:49 PM
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I don't kmow how many times I've looked at the Navworx site expecting to see a support forum but it never happened. It would be the best method to distribute info on the products and avoid all this guessing. Maybe a lesson learned for business in the 2000s. Actually got better info on navworx products from some of the competition or at least distributors Web site forums.
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Old 02-01-2017, 06:04 PM
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Feeling better today about ADS-B replacement solutions... I now have a workable solution for ADS-B OUT for my non-W 430/330 setup after I remove the NavWorx unit.

I'm going to have the ES upgrade done for the 330 to turn it into an ES then add the Garmin GPS 20A as a position source. That should work out to round $2000 for OUT .. still haven't worked out the IN for my GRT displays.

Unfortunately, there are limited options for GRT IN to feed the displays. All the Garmins speak their own language so the most promising looks to be the Pathfinder Remote unit, that would add about another $400 to the package. Does anyone with a GRT display use the Pathfinder Remote?

The pain of losing my NavWorx unit is beginning to fade. :-)

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Old 02-01-2017, 06:09 PM
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Feeling better today about ADS-B replacement solutions... I now have a workable solution for ADS-B OUT for my non-W 430/330 setup after I remove the NavWorx unit.

I'm going to have the ES upgrade done for the 330 to turn it into an ES then add the Garmin GPS 20A as a position source. That should work out to round $2000 for OUT .. still haven't worked out the IN for my GRT displays.

Unfortunately, there are limited options for GRT IN to feed the displays. All the Garmins speak their own language so the most promising looks to be the Pathfinder Remote unit, that would add about another $400 to the package. Does anyone with a GRT display use the Pathfinder Remote?

The pain of losing my NavWorx unit is beginning to fade. :-)

DWS
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Stratux can be wired into the GRT now for about $100.
http://www.grtavionics.com/StratuxSupplement.pdf
I have one from my pre-Navworx install back in Nov 2015.
I may try to implement for redundancy.
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Old 02-01-2017, 06:30 PM
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Feeling better today about ADS-B replacement solutions... I now have a workable solution for ADS-B OUT for my non-W 430/330 setup after I remove the NavWorx unit.

I'm going to have the ES upgrade done for the 330 to turn it into an ES then add the Garmin GPS 20A as a position source. That should work out to round $2000 for OUT .. still haven't worked out the IN for my GRT displays.

Unfortunately, there are limited options for GRT IN to feed the displays. All the Garmins speak their own language so the most promising looks to be the Pathfinder Remote unit, that would add about another $400 to the package. Does anyone with a GRT display use the Pathfinder Remote?

The pain of losing my NavWorx unit is beginning to fade. :-)



DWS
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I think I might like this approach even better that the GRT Fly Safe 2020 GPS / 330 upgrade to extended squitter approach I discussed yesterday. What would make me like it even more would be it qualifying for the FAA rebate! Does anyone know?

This allows a certified gps and certified transponder and not mixing non-certified with certified equipment. A rebate of $500 makes this even more economical than the approach I discussed above.
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Old 02-01-2017, 06:42 PM
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What would make me like it even more would be it qualifying for the FAA rebate! Does anyone know?
The rebate is only available for aircraft installing TSO'd equipment (not just meeting the TSO) and for aircraft that have never transmitted ADS-B OUT before.

The GPS 20A is not TSO'd / Certified, and if you had a Navworx before, you've already transmitted ADS-B OUT.

It's a bummer, but for experimentals it's hard to get the rebate and actually save money since it forces you to buy more expensive TSO'd equipment that generally costs more than $500 more than your other options.
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Old 02-01-2017, 06:46 PM
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I think I might like this approach even better that the GRT Fly Safe 2020 GPS / 330 upgrade to extended squitter approach I discussed yesterday. What would make me like it even more would be it qualifying for the FAA rebate! Does anyone know?

This allows a certified gps and certified transponder and not mixing non-certified with certified equipment. A rebate of $500 makes this even more economical than the approach I discussed above.
It looks like I wrote the above too soon! I just looked at the Garmin website on the 20A gps. They say it's $850, non-TSO'd, and requires the purchase of a compatible gps antenna. Therefore I'd still be mixing a certified 330ES with a non-certified gps source at a higher cost plus antenna purchase. The GRT Fly Safe 2020 GPS again looks like a better solution.
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