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01-27-2017, 11:20 AM
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been here awhile
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Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: North Alabama
Posts: 4,301
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Originally Posted by 1001001
....I will be hosting a chapter meeting at my workshop in a couple of months and everyone will get a chance to critique me.
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This point cannot be over-emphasized. During the past twenty years, our local builders have hosted dozens of "socials" (we don't call them meetings because that sounds too much like work...) at their shop for fellowship and critiquing the project. Most of the time other builders pick up ideas they carry home and apply to their builds.
Too many times a builder has commented about the lack of interest from a "mentor" but never been pro-active about taking the initiative to bring other builders to the project. The effort required to host a get-together pales in comparison to the value of having other builders and wannabes in the shop. Just leave the builder ego at the door and willingly accept all observations.
But the builders who concern me the most are the ones who neither seek out a mentor or have any interest in anyone seeing their project. Most likely that was the case for the builder whose "craftsmanship" prompted this thread.
Last edited by Sam Buchanan : 01-27-2017 at 11:33 AM.
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01-28-2017, 05:21 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Posts: 98
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Originally Posted by Pin 21
I have to agree with that, gives me confidence 
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+ 1 here on the confidence....
Just made a few accidental double holes dia #40 in fuselage frames while drilling them. Didn't bother fixing the parts, just ordered new one from Van's. Often I feel I am too perfectionist on my build. These pictures tells me other might not be as much as me...
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CPL ME-IFR & CFI Class 3, 1,400+ Flight Hours
Terrebonne, Quebec, Canada
RV-8 s/n #80414
Kitlog: http://www.mykitlog.com/MartRV80414/
Empennage: 100%
Fuselage: 95%
Wings: 99% (Flaps remain to attach)
MD-RA Pre-closure inspection completed Dec 27, 2019
Entering Final Assembly Phase !
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01-28-2017, 07:44 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 1,868
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Use the archives
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Originally Posted by N804RV
1) I've gotten some good advice off this forum as a result of answers to some of my questions. But, there have been several times I've been really frustrated by some of the responses, or lack thereof. And, I'm sure its just par for the course. But, I can see how some first time builders might be tempted to just "press on".
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VansAirforce in its current format has been around for almost a couple of decades now. The amount of information in the archives is now massive and very easy to search and access. Many questions asked daily on VansAirforce have been asked and answered dozens of times before in previous threads over the years.
I just think that many experienced builders on VansAirforce refuse to answer the same questions over and over again (I know I do). It becomes a "groundhog day" experience. I see knowledgable builders post comprehensive and presumably time-consuming responses to a specific question....and then a few weeks later some-one else starts a new thread and asks pretty much the same question (and then probably wonders why he's not getting much response).
The archives are the single most important reason to be involved in VansAirforce but they are obviously under-utilised by many builders. I don't know if that's because many builders are not aware of them...or they're just too lazy to do a search (easier to just shoot off a post).
There are many significant advantages of using the archives for information (as opposed to starting a new thread). Firstly, you can generally access a huge amount of information on the subject of interest...possibly hundreds of posts. Secondly, you can get instant information because you don't have to wait for a posted response.
If I want information from VansAirforce my first port of call is always the archives. Only if I cannot find what I want there (and that's very rare) will I post a question in a new thread.
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01-28-2017, 08:06 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Tustin, CA
Posts: 56
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Here is a hint for searching. Use google and restrict it to vansairforce like this, "site:vansairforce.com rudder trailing edge"
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N5427W == Jack, Hank, Barbara, and Rick Woods.
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01-28-2017, 08:43 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: The Midwest
Posts: 42
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Originally Posted by StickNRudder
Here is a hint for searching. Use google and restrict it to vansairforce like this, "site:vansairforce.com rudder trailing edge"
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Wow, that's amazing (no sarcasm). I didn't know you could do that with Google. I will definitely use this in the future.
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01-28-2017, 10:18 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Just Minutes from KBVI!
Posts: 1,039
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Originally Posted by Captain Avgas
If I want information from VansAirforce my first port of call is always the archives. Only if I cannot find what I want there (and that's very rare) will I post a question in a new thread.
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I am assuming from the context of your post that by "archives" you essentially mean the search function.
It is amazing how many times I search for a topic and find nothing on it though. I think frequently people do not use good descriptive titles for their threads and so searches often miss important past threads. Searching for a set of keywords can return very long list of posts with really helpful titles like "So I made this mistake" or "need help with wings!"
Trying to limit searches very often results in no answers so I frequently have to wade through a lot of irrelevant posts. It is amazing how many time I have searched for specific part numbers and found nothing but have found relevant threads when using a non-canonical part name.
If I could ask everyone here to do one thing it would be to make their thread titles more descriptive, including the part number and/or plans page.
I know I have been guilty of this too in my haste to ask a question.
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01-28-2017, 11:43 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: LSGY
Posts: 3,198
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Use the Google
Totally agree with Rick's suggestion, that's what I do, use the Google. The VAF search is not nearly as sophisticated as Google's, for obvious reasons.
If only there was a way to get the old pictures who's links have moved into the afterlife.
About the question repeats, I personally believe repeated questions are not a bad thing, since our knowledge changes, and sometimes so do our methods.
Some examples I can think of - we now glue the canopy (mostly) instead of rivet, RV8 battery in the back - no longer needed with the new lifepo4 batteries saving many cheeseburgers worth of weight. Also, newer builders are often coming up with innovative ways to solve problems that when shared on the site add to the body of knowledge. They would not be prompted to explain how they did it on a very old thread, but if someone asks, they would feel good about contributing.
Last edited by rv8ch : 01-28-2017 at 11:50 PM.
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01-29-2017, 12:03 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Irvine, CA
Posts: 873
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Originally Posted by StickNRudder
Here is a hint for searching. Use google and restrict it to vansairforce like this, "site:vansairforce.com rudder trailing edge"
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Nice search hint, Rick!
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01-29-2017, 07:42 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Simpsonville, SC (SC47)
Posts: 312
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Originally Posted by vic syracuse
. . . include a flier on the EAA Technical Advisor program and EAA chapter lists with their kits, . . .
Vic
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That is a good idea - if you can get that far with a flier list, a few other sources of information and communication ought to be included too, e.g. VAF.com, Kitlog.com, and probably a couple of others. A comment should be included that reminds that all sources of information referenced by any experimental aircraft builder should be considered carefully.
If unsure about the information you are seeing, then pursue other sources until you have a reasonable level of confidence in your interpretation and decided course of action. If you learn something that you feel is valuable and ought to be considered, then share that for others' consideration. Different and opposing points of view are not harmful, debate is good, it might slow your progress a little but the end result will be better for it.
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Simpsonville, SC (@SC47 > 10nm NW Triple Tree)
1946 Bellanca Cruisair 14-13-2 (73 YRS OLD 8/15/19)
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Start 10/11/14
Dues paid 12/1/19 (USArmy 2/67-2/70)
www.mykitlog.com/jeffw@sc47
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01-30-2017, 02:31 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: CT
Posts: 284
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1001001
I am assuming from the context of your post that by "archives" you essentially mean the search function.
It is amazing how many times I search for a topic and find nothing on it though. I think frequently people do not use good descriptive titles for their threads and so searches often miss important past threads. Searching for a set of keywords can return very long list of posts with really helpful titles like "So I made this mistake" or "need help with wings!"
Trying to limit searches very often results in no answers so I frequently have to wade through a lot of irrelevant posts. It is amazing how many time I have searched for specific part numbers and found nothing but have found relevant threads when using a non-canonical part name.
If I could ask everyone here to do one thing it would be to make their thread titles more descriptive, including the part number and/or plans page.
I know I have been guilty of this too in my haste to ask a question.
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I've been a moderator in another forum for years, I never fail to answer that same question over and over, or I point them to a thread.( It's tough to be a newbie. ) I have had a hard time searching here at times and have used The google trick to get needed info, but still at times I've had to wade through similar sounding threads for hours before finding a solution. An experienced builder could (likely) have answered that same question in 2 seconds. (I know Fred usually can)
I'm not knocking this site (at all) cause it IS a great resource, A ++ people, I'd just like to remind people we were all newbies at one point and even though we might not be in one thing today we will likely be a newbie in something else soon enough. 😀
I have learned an amazing amount in a short period of time thanks to this and other forums as well as mentoring from people like Fred stucklen whose input has been invaluable to me.
Thank you, to all those who have helped a newbie with a repedetive or sometimes rediculous question.
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