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Old 01-05-2017, 04:51 PM
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Default Back Riveting Side Skins

Hi all,

Have any of you tried back riveting the side skins to the stringers? What are your thoughts about this?

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Old 01-05-2017, 04:54 PM
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Hi all,

Have any of you tried back riveting the side skins to the stringers? What are your thoughts about this?

Thanks
Not a 10 but I did. Sweetie held the back rivet bar and I ran the gun inside.
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Old 01-05-2017, 04:58 PM
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I did it for most of the tailcone side skins. I went a step further and used a C-frame which made every rivet nearly perfect! (EAA has a video on this technique.)

For some reason I tend to smear the shop head occasionally when I back rivet.
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Old 01-05-2017, 07:45 PM
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Back riveting those skins is the way to go. You will probably need to relieve the bulkhead cut outs to install the skins as they will be fairly stiff after riveting but apparently Van's says this is ok...
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Old 01-06-2017, 08:36 AM
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For general information (I'm sure it's been raised before) Back riveting in commercial/certificated use isn't compliant without special procedures.

I understand this is related to poor dimpling/riveting practices. You have to be "spot on" with the flush rivet height in order to insure design clinch and insure strength and fatigue resistance.

YMMV
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Old 01-06-2017, 10:59 AM
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I made use of back riveting in all the places where this form of setting rivets
presented a convenience and or superior results.
For the most part that means back riveting on a table for structures like flap skins etc. as well as an occasional spot on the airframe where access is limited and back riveting improved access and the quality of the final riveted assembly.
Riveting the skins to the stringers is a fairly easy job and back riveting would seem to complicate some parts of it.
A perfectly set rivet cannot be improved by back riveting. Those are my thoughts
and to answer your question, no I did not consider back riveting the parts in question.
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Old 01-24-2017, 09:43 AM
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So I did in fact back rivet 95% of the side skin rivets to the stringers and bulkheads and it turned out great.
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Old 01-24-2017, 10:07 AM
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Backriveted mine. I have a plate inset on a small table - had to be careful to stay over the plate and ensure the parts are held firmly flush on the plate. I have pretty good luck if I hold the backrivet set centered over the rivet with my off hand to make sure the set didn't wander - which routinely can clinch the rivet or at least make a deformed shop head where the rivet would creep between the metal part of the set and the plastic collar.

Also got a few more scratches on the skin than I wanted (>0) keep the table and skins clean.
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Old 01-24-2017, 10:19 AM
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Meh. Back riveting is "a" way but not "the" way. It doesn't produce a better or safer RV. My advice is use the method that you find most comfortable and provides the desired results and press. If that's back riveting, then great.
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Old 01-24-2017, 10:49 AM
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I recommend back riveting any of the skins you can. It generally makes the rivet to skin surface flusher. My experience is that normal riveting of the skins puts a slight to medium dimple in the skin. Get one of those hand held back riveting bars. I believe Cleveland part # is BB`46, mine is Avery. I did not start riveting this way but by the time, I got to the fuselage skins someone had disclosed this secret too pretty work. Also did not use the back rivet set for this technique. Just used the side of a flush set with the rubber guard.

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