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11-16-2016, 07:39 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Boulder, CO
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Look, I'm not building a -14 so feel free to ignore me if you want to.
I've noticed that Van's frequently updates the plans. While the newly updated plans don't generally apply to airplanes delivered after they are issued, they do include a number of small as well as large changes. So if you're keeping a list of things easy to miss, please be sure that this can be annotated to reflect which revision level that section of the plans is, because it might not be applicable to newer editions.
Also, rzbil, the RV-3 section here on VAF has a "plans clarifications" sticky thread. Don't know about the other planes, but the oldest and least-supported one does have that. Plus my RV-3B plans, that came with my kit, have had numerous revisions since the preview plans were published. So even that lowly kit gets periodic attention by the factory.
Dave
RV-3B, now on the fuselage
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11-17-2016, 12:46 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Las Vegas NV
Posts: 146
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Quote:
Originally Posted by David Paule
Look, I'm not building a -14 so feel free to ignore me if you want to.
I've noticed that Van's frequently updates the plans. While the newly updated plans don't generally apply to airplanes delivered after they are issued, they do include a number of small as well as large changes. So if you're keeping a list of things easy to miss, please be sure that this can be annotated to reflect which revision level that section of the plans is, because it might not be applicable to newer editions.
Also, rzbil, the RV-3 section here on VAF has a "plans clarifications" sticky thread. Don't know about the other planes, but the oldest and least-supported one does have that. Plus my RV-3B plans, that came with my kit, have had numerous revisions since the preview plans were published. So even that lowly kit gets periodic attention by the factory.
Dave
RV-3B, now on the fuselage
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My Plan is to update the plans drawings as they change. I also want to start deleting discussion's that no longer are material because the plans have been updated.
for example this thread is no longer relevant.
http://www.vansairforce.com/communit...d.php?t=106077
Any moderators want to pull it.
( step 6 on 06-02 has ben updated with the appropriate "and"
Also
http://www.vansairforce.com/communit...d.php?t=106159
has ben updated from Rev 0 to dimple both parts
Pete
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11-18-2016, 05:09 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: West Sacramento, CA
Posts: 63
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I saw that HeliCooper weighed in. While I was working my through the empennage I made several notes in his sticky "Gotcha" list. Isn't that what we're taking about?
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12-09-2016, 12:41 AM
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Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Las Vegas NV
Posts: 146
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Bob
Just saw your post. It might be confusing here.
There is a master gotchas list in a sticky.
There also is a dropbox account that I opened up that has the RV 14 plans in it and on each page I have posted all of the relevant threads from this website. The idea being as you work or read ahead on the plans you can see where people have made mistakes and how they have been fixed or recommended changes. Originally I was using the NOTE function of Adobe to add these links and comments but folks with Macs are unable to see the notes. So I am creating Hyperlinks that take you directly to the VAF page. I don't know how to open the dropbox up to "guest users" so I need an email address that I can put into the account to send an invite. Any one that would like an invite please send me a PM.
BTW I have permission from Vans Aircraft to do this and DR knows about this. I offered to let him host the folder and he is researching the idea.
Also the PC vs MAC issue I believe is causing the pages to change between saves. For instance I created a page in front of 06-01 that has general construction links that don't fit anywhere specific, and 1/3 of the text boxes have gone blank on me although the hyperlinks overlaid still work.
SO.... any software experts out there if you have any suggestions I would love some help. I am using Adobe 9 pro and maybe that's just too old. I don't want to upgrade because they have gone to a subscription model and I cant afford their cost structure.
HALPILOT
(Pete)
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12-09-2016, 12:59 AM
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Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Las Vegas NV
Posts: 146
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On further examination apparently what is happening is that different users end up saving the file with a different font. (again maybe because of different versions?) and that changes the text boxes. Attempting to re arrange to give more room.
Pete
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12-09-2016, 01:01 AM
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Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Las Vegas NV
Posts: 146
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I can move to google drive but not sure if adobe keeps its formatting or it turns into a Google drive PDF? I will do a little research.
Pete
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12-09-2016, 07:47 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: 57AZ - NW Tucson area
Posts: 10,011
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Originally Posted by HAL Pilot
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Unless Vans is sending out updates for the -14 plans to all builders, don't forget that al lot of builders will be still using old revisions of the plans.
Are the revisions you mention 100% distributed to all builders?
If not, old threads probably should stay.
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Gil Alexander
EAA Technical Counselor, Airframe Mechanic
Half completed RV-10 QB purchased
RV-6A N61GX - finally flying
Grumman Tiger N12GA - flying
La Cholla Airpark (57AZ) Tucson AZ
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12-09-2016, 11:45 AM
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Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Las Vegas NV
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If the folks reference the online plans then it would be up to date. But since that cant be controlled then your right it should probably stay.
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for the previous idea of using google docs the MAC folks don't have a problem opening the PDF file in dropbox, they just cant activate the pop up feature on the notes function inside the PDF. That's where maybe its the version I am using might be too old.
Pete
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12-09-2016, 11:49 AM
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Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Hubbard Oregon
Posts: 9,035
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Quote:
Originally Posted by az_gila
Unless Vans is sending out updates for the -14 plans to all builders, don't forget that al lot of builders will be still using old revisions of the plans.
Are the revisions you mention 100% distributed to all builders?
If not, old threads probably should stay.
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When plans updates are released to the public (begin shipping in kits), they also get posted to the Service Information and Revisions section of Van's web site. https://www.vansaircraft.com/public/service.htm
It is recommended that before beginning construction in any section, that you check the web site for any updates that might have been made.
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Scott McDaniels
Van's Aircraft Engineering Prototype Shop Manager
Hubbard, Oregon
RV-6A (aka "Junkyard Special ")
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12-09-2016, 12:53 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: 57AZ - NW Tucson area
Posts: 10,011
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rvbuilder2002
When plans updates are released to the public (begin shipping in kits), they also get posted to the Service Information and Revisions section of Van's web site. https://www.vansaircraft.com/public/service.htm
It is recommended that before beginning construction in any section, that you check the web site for any updates that might have been made.
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Thanks... that's a great improvement over the earlier plans revision histories...
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Gil Alexander
EAA Technical Counselor, Airframe Mechanic
Half completed RV-10 QB purchased
RV-6A N61GX - finally flying
Grumman Tiger N12GA - flying
La Cholla Airpark (57AZ) Tucson AZ
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