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12-05-2016, 07:37 PM
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Years ago I was teaching a lady for a private and when she taxied in from her first solo a FISDO guy was there at the flight school hanger to greet her. It did not really bother her because she did not know what was happening. I knew the guy well enough to give him a hard time because I had done several 135 check rides with him so I pointed out that he could not see the runway from where he was and had no knowledge that she had been flying, thus there was no reason to ramp check anything. He wished her well in her taxi training and watched me cut her shirt tail off.
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12-05-2016, 10:05 PM
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Confession Time
At the risk of being shunned from the sport flying community I am a retired 25 year veteran of the FAA Flight Standards Division. Most of my career was spent inspecting navaids but while assigned to a Regional Office in Texas our duties involved flying rental aircraft to various locations for ground maintenance support and site inspections for the implementation of the initial GPS approach procedures prior to publication during the early and mid nineties.
While preflighting a rental aircraft I was ramp checked by a pair of FSDO inspectors who introduced themselves with their ID's and Form 110A and asked
to see my credentials and the aircraft documents. I complied with their request and when they asked to see the aircraft maintenance logs I told them I inspected them the day before when I scheduled the aircraft and they were stored elsewhere but I would ask the FBO to make them available IF they needed to inspect them. They declined and wished me a safe flight. They were very courteous and professional throughout so I never displayed my FAA ID. I knew they are assigned a variety of onsite inspections for their monthly work program schedule same as me.
I spent my last six years as a Flight Operations Inspector for a very successful Part 121 operation and If we did not adhere to the handbook guidance we could be in more trouble than the customer.
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12-05-2016, 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Jerry Kinman
At the risk of being shunned from the sport flying community I am a retired 25 year veteran of the FAA Flight Standards Division. Most of my career was spent inspecting navaids but while assigned to a Regional Office in Texas our duties involved flying rental aircraft to various locations for ground maintenance support and site inspections for the implementation of the initial GPS approach procedures prior to publication during the early and mid nineties.
While preflighting a rental aircraft I was ramp checked by a pair of FSDO inspectors who introduced themselves with their ID's and Form 110A and asked
to see my credentials and the aircraft documents. I complied with their request and when they asked to see the aircraft maintenance logs I told them I inspected them the day before when I scheduled the aircraft and they were stored elsewhere but I would ask the FBO to make them available IF they needed to inspect them. They declined and wished me a safe flight. They were very courteous and professional throughout so I never displayed my FAA ID. I knew they are assigned a variety of onsite inspections for their monthly work program schedule same as me.
I spent my last six years as a Flight Operations Inspector for a very successful Part 121 operation and If we did not adhere to the handbook guidance we could be in more trouble than the customer.
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I don't see aircraft logbooks listed in the FAA ramp inspection procedure documents anywhere (for part 91).
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12-06-2016, 05:42 AM
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Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Oklahoma
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Logbbook inspection during ramp check
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Originally Posted by RV7A Flyer
I don't see aircraft logbooks listed in the FAA ramp inspection procedure documents anywhere (for part 91).
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Try here under section 6-95 (E):
http://fsims.faa.gov/wdocs/8900.1/v0...06_001_004.pdf
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12-06-2016, 05:54 AM
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Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Oklahoma
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Good ramp check thread from the past
Here is a long thread I started about my ramp check experience back in 2010. It contains a good discussion and may answer some questions:
http://www.vansairforce.com/communit...ght=ramp+check
Joe
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12-06-2016, 09:28 AM
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Join Date: Jul 2013
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Originally Posted by Caveman
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Thanks...I must have been looking at an older version.
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12-06-2016, 10:34 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Fredericksburg, Tx.
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Ramp Check
Here is the exact wording and the magic words on log books are:
"when available" Don't carry them in the airplane, period.
E. Aircraft Logbooks. Inspectors should check aircraft maintenance logbooks, when available, for currency and compliance with 14 CFR part 43, ?? 43.9(a) and 43.11(a). Aircraft maintenance records come in many styles. There is no standard form or format as long as the regulatory requirements (?? 43.9 and 43.11) for maintenance entries are provided.
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12-06-2016, 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by texdog
Here is the exact wording and the magic words on log books are:
"when available" Don't carry them in the airplane, period.
E. Aircraft Logbooks. Inspectors should check aircraft maintenance logbooks, when available, for currency and compliance with 14 CFR part 43, ?? 43.9(a) and 43.11(a). Aircraft maintenance records come in many styles. There is no standard form or format as long as the regulatory requirements (?? 43.9 and 43.11) for maintenance entries are provided.
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A lot of people keep them in the hangar, though. And if the ramp check occurs after you pull up to the hangar...well...are they "available"?
Or perhaps they're conveniently at home that particular day? <wink>
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12-06-2016, 11:01 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Garden City, Tx
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RV7A Flyer
A lot of people keep them in the hangar, though. And if the ramp check occurs after you pull up to the hangar...well...are they "available"?
Or perhaps they're conveniently at home that particular day? <wink>
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They are authorized to inspect the interior of the aircraft only with permission of the operator or with a federal warrant. I would say the same applies to my hangar.
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12-06-2016, 11:08 AM
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Join Date: Jul 2013
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Originally Posted by airguy
They are authorized to inspect the interior of the aircraft only with permission of the operator or with a federal warrant. I would say the same applies to my hangar.
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They're not LE, so they don't get warrants, but yes...they'd need permission to enter, I'd suspect, if the hangar was shut. Might be different if it was fully open, but I don't really know.
But the question was...what is meant by "available"? They're in the hangar, you're in the hangar, the plane's in the hangar...but the logs are in a drawer. Are they "available"? 
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