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11-23-2016, 01:43 PM
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.... so much controversy. Private companies can do whatever they want. Buy from someone else if you don't like what they do.
All I want to know is if Dynon has an estimate about when they'll be supporting VP-X in their new efis products (or IF they'll be supporting it). This is important to me since I'm planning to buy a couple shiney new Dynon screens in the very near future.
Dynon? Are you there??? Beuler? .... Beuler?
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11-24-2016, 10:24 AM
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VP-X EFIS??
I have been waiting for VP-X to roll out their own EFIS and I hope they won't charge for it. After all, what good is all that VP-X functionality if you need to piggy back ride on someone else's product and development to make it functional?
Dynon is a brilliantly smart company who set the benchmark for producing a host of integrated products including autopilot, ADS-B compliant and certified transponder, GPS and on and on. Dynon's pricing is very competitive and as a business person I fully understand the compromise between including certain charges to all customers and reserving some, like VP-X licensing to those few who use it.
Certainly nothing wrong with wanting to know when and if Dynon will support
VP-X integration.
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11-24-2016, 11:06 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Dallas/Ft Worth, TX
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Originally Posted by N427EF
I have been waiting for VP-X to roll out their own EFIS and I hope they won't charge for it. After all, what good is all that VP-X functionality if you need to piggy back ride on someone else's product and development to make it functional?
Dynon is a brilliantly smart company who set the benchmark for producing a host of integrated products including autopilot, ADS-B compliant and certified transponder, GPS and on and on. Dynon's pricing is very competitive and as a business person I fully understand the compromise between including certain charges to all customers and reserving some, like VP-X licensing to those few who use it.
Certainly nothing wrong with wanting to know when and if Dynon will support
VP-X integration.
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Just to set the record straight, Dynon doesn't make their own transponder, it's a Trig TT22 unit with Dynon software to control it remotely.
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11-24-2016, 11:45 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Brookfield, WI
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VPX Pro
I already have my VPX Pro and plan on using it on my 9 build. I am also leaning toward the Dynon panel in my plane. I have decided on the VPX for my own reasons and am leaning toward Dynon again for my own reasons. I am hoping that Dynon will support the VPX in the future. If not I will go with another manufacturer. Dynon has the right to decide if they want to support the VPX or not to support it (I hope they do support it) They also have the right to price out their products the way they want to. Did you ever buy a car and pay an additional charge to "upgrade" it the way you want it? I.e. Bigger engine, nicer radio, different tires. Dynon is making a system that works but if you choose to use a VPX you need to pay for an option. VPX isn't saying not to use a Dynon nor is Dynon saying you can't use their product with the VPX. All they are saying is that if you chose to do it there is a cost for it, and they give you that cost upfront, nothing is hidden. The beauty of having an experimental airplane is the ability to have choices. If you like that choice do it if not make a different choice. And we are fortunate to have many choices.
Rant over
Have a Happy Thanksgiving and please eat to much.
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11-24-2016, 12:14 PM
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Did not know that
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Just to set the record straight, Dynon doesn't make their own transponder, it's a Trig TT22 unit with Dynon software to control it remotely.
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I was not aware of that but it underscores the smart thinking of Dynon.
Taking a Trig TT22 and loading it with their own software to make it functional out of the box and selling it as package with the rest of their product is exactly
what makes Dynon avionics so attractive.
I ended up with a Garmin transponder in my 10, just a few weeks short of Dynon introducing "their" transponder. Too bad, I would be ADS-B compliant by now.
How about VP-X acquire a number of EFIS units and install their own software.
They can then sell it as a functional and compatible system and it would put the onus on them to deliver compatibility. I doubt they would do this for free...
OK, off to eat Turkey and and and and so much more.
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11-24-2016, 01:20 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Livermore, CA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by N427EF
Taking a Trig TT22 and loading it with their own software to make it functional out of the box and selling it as package with the rest of their product is exactly
what makes Dynon avionics so attractive.
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You mean, just like GRT does? Except GRT doesn't change the manufacturer's name, and the TT22 is one of many options available and supported.
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11-24-2016, 02:11 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Annapolis MD
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Has anyone considered that dropping VP-X support is/was a competitive decision? Their AFS subsidiary makes a similar product (although it uses traditional fuses,) the Advanced Control Module. Maybe Dynon's going to release it as a standalone unit vs. being part of their quick panel solution? IDK. Anyway, I have a VP-X Pro, and I like it. My only criticism is I wished they had used USB instead of Ethernet as a support port.
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11-24-2016, 03:42 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Red Deer, Alberta, Canada
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Back to our regularly scheduled question.
Wow, this thread didn't go anywhere near the direction I was intending.
Back to my original concern. My HDX1100 (and VP-X license key) just shipped, I'll have it next week. Am I going to have to sell it, or the more likely sell the VP-X, buy a bunch of circuit breakers and redesign my electrical system and panel? I'm not yet all that close to planning my first flight (maybe summertime), but I do need to commit to an electrical design as that's what I'm doing this winter.
Dynon Support weighed in on the bunny trail in this thread, but not on the original question. Is VP-X support planned for the HDX line, and if so, is it something that will appear in the next 3-4 months?
By the way, I went with the VP-X because I find the technology fascinating and mostly because I hate the look of a dozen or two circuit breakers cluttering the panel. And, of course I wish I didn't have to buy a license, but if that's the cost to install the product, then buy it I shall.
Back to my question for Dynon please.
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11-24-2016, 04:06 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2014
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Originally Posted by Flying Canuck
Wow, this thread didn't go anywhere near the direction I was intending.
Back to my original concern. My HDX1100 (and VP-X license key) just shipped, I'll have it next week. Am I going to have to sell it, or the more likely sell the VP-X, buy a bunch of circuit breakers and redesign my electrical system and panel? I'm not yet all that close to planning my first flight (maybe summertime), but I do need to commit to an electrical design as that's what I'm doing this winter.
Dynon Support weighed in on the bunny trail in this thread, but not on the original question. Is VP-X support planned for the HDX line, and if so, is it something that will appear in the next 3-4 months?
By the way, I went with the VP-X because I find the technology fascinating and mostly because I hate the look of a dozen or two circuit breakers cluttering the panel. And, of course I wish I didn't have to buy a license, but if that's the cost to install the product, then buy it I shall.
Back to my question for Dynon please.
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Just to let you know, incase you didn't already, the VPX is a whole lot more than just electronic breakers. When I built a whole new touch screen panel I was given the opportunity to also install the VP-X pro or go with the old tried and true breakers. I hadn't really researched the Vertical Power products but I was given a quick overview and decided to go with it. I am so glad I did. Not only was the installation much less work than all the breakers and busses and cabling..... But that's just the beginning of the benefits. Marc really had a good plan and made a good reliable system. You can change each ECB amperage amount anytime, reroute circuits, reverse trims and flap motors, slow down trims at any set speed, lock out the starter, read ALL the amps being drawn from each circuit, turn on or off each circuit with a touch, get breaker faults on your screen, run and test configurations real time on your computer, built in wig wag, dual power busses (Pro), back up battery monitor, etc, etc.... I have an entire page on my iEFIS that shows the complete status of the ECB's. And, not to mention, how much more room my panel has and looks so much better without rows of breakers.
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11-24-2016, 04:09 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Prescott, AZ
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Quote:
Originally Posted by maus92
Has anyone considered that dropping VP-X support is/was a competitive decision? Their AFS subsidiary makes a similar product (although it uses traditional fuses,) the Advanced Control Module. Maybe Dynon's going to release it as a standalone unit vs. being part of their quick panel solution? IDK. Anyway, I have a VP-X Pro, and I like it. My only criticism is I wished they had used USB instead of Ethernet as a support port.
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MGL is also making ECB systems. They are on a smaller scale than the VP-X systems. Not sure if they can be stacked but another ECB option.
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