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11-22-2016, 09:28 PM
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Sorry guys, joking around a bit, didn't mean to imply anything, which is why I didn't say "all other". Just pointing out that different manufacturers all have slightly different pricing models, and focusing on one element vs overall cost can be misleading. Why do some EFIS systems not come with harnesses and make you build your own from scratch? Why do some not make their own autopilot installation kits? Why do some not give discounts on a second AHRS module? Why do some not produce detailed documentation and release notes for every software release? Every company has some element they do differently.
Dynon charges for the VP-X because it's a feature used by only a small percentage of our customers, and we felt it more appropriate to charge the ones that use for the development it took than charging "everyone." Maybe that's different than other systems, but it has worked for us and allows us to financially justify supporting the VP-X now and in the future.
And as an FYI, Dynon no longer charges for the mapping software, and has never charged for aviation databases in the USA.
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11-22-2016, 09:34 PM
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11-22-2016, 09:38 PM
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As of August 2016, NAVIGATION MAPPING software now included with the following DISPLAYS: SkyView Classic (D1000, D700) & SkyView Touch.
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That license is for units purchased in the past. All new displays include mapping. We'll update the above to mention HDX as well, looks like that got missed on that page.
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11-22-2016, 09:43 PM
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Don't ALL the EFIS makers support a small percentage of VPX users? And the others don't charge for a "License" to connect to another product. A small bit of code that's used over and over. Does Dynon charge a "License" fee to connect to every other product not made by Dynon? The incentive to build your product to work with other products is an incentive to buy your product, not a fine to connect it to another device. Hmmmmm
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11-22-2016, 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by dynonsupport
That license is for units purchased in the past. All new displays include mapping. We'll update the above to mention HDX as well, looks like that got missed on that page.
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And what good is an EFIS without mapping? You charged for a required component to make an EFIS work. Like buying a car and being charged extra for an engine. I don't buy Dynon, used to, but don't anymore.
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11-22-2016, 10:17 PM
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Location: Livermore, CA
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None of this stuff is free. Each company makes its own decisions as to how to pay for costs. I agree, this makes comparison shopping more difficult, but not impossible. I too am not a big Dynon fan, but not because of their pricing structure.
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11-22-2016, 11:11 PM
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Dynon support,
Any chance you have a time-frame of when VP-X will be supported in the new products?
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11-23-2016, 09:58 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Minneapolis
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None of this stuff is free. Each company makes its own decisions as to how to pay for costs. I agree, this makes comparison shopping more difficult, but not impossible.
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Indeed - anyone thinking they're getting ANYTHING for "FREE" is either misinformed or naiive. The cost of writing the software, tech pubs, support, etc.. is built into the pricing somewhere - either as a separate charge or built into the cost of the product. You are ALWAYS paying for it somewhere somehow...
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11-23-2016, 11:58 AM
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No one is asking for free stuff. All these EFIS's are very expensive to begin with but having an upsell policy to make an already expensive product work doesn't seem to be fair for customers. The fact that most EFIS makers do not upsell "Licenses" and "Maps" to make their product work proves that this is and should be a built in cost of an EFIS. Vertical Power does not charge Dynon a "License" fee to connect to VPX products, it's Dynon charging it's own customers to connect to a supported product. Maps are not made by Dynon, they are converted from government sources. This is a very simple process and done once. Raster maps are scanned and Georeferenced, again a very simple process. Software is written once and installed over and over and over. Charging one customer or 1000 customers for a VPX "License" is a cash cow. It's written once. Raster maps are scanned once (until changed), terrain once, vectors once. Essential cabling should come with the system because it's essential, optional cabling could be sold extra or made by the customers. Again, who would buy a new car and then having to buy the tires to drive on the roads. Not me.
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11-23-2016, 01:35 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2006
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Originally Posted by FasGlas
No one is asking for free stuff. All these EFIS's are very expensive to begin with but having an upsell policy to make an already expensive product work doesn't seem to be fair for customers. The fact that most EFIS makers do not upsell "Licenses" and "Maps" to make their product work proves that this is and should be a built in cost of an EFIS. Vertical Power does not charge Dynon a "License" fee to connect to VPX products, it's Dynon charging it's own customers to connect to a supported product. Maps are not made by Dynon, they are converted from government sources. This is a very simple process and done once. Raster maps are scanned and Georeferenced, again a very simple process. Software is written once and installed over and over and over. Charging one customer or 1000 customers for a VPX "License" is a cash cow. It's written once. Raster maps are scanned once (until changed), terrain once, vectors once. Essential cabling should come with the system because it's essential, optional cabling could be sold extra or made by the customers. Again, who would buy a new car and then having to buy the tires to drive on the roads. Not me.
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Sounds like you've got it all figured out, you should sell EFIS's yourself.
In all seriousness - you've obviously got an axe to grind with Dynon, you're entitled to that opinion regardless of the cause, but you're rapidly approaching "vendor bashing" and will get this thread locked down. If that was the intent, then by all means proceed to proceed.
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Last edited by airguy : 11-23-2016 at 01:38 PM.
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