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10-18-2016, 07:24 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2009
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Not much to add to what's been said. You will need both methods to build the 9. Also, be sure to practice back riveting. This method is preferred for doing skins.
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10-18-2016, 08:17 AM
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Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: St Lucie County, FL
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Yup...
You'll need both a rivet gun/bucking bar and squeezer. I went in head first and bypassed the classes. I bought the toolbox and wing practice kits to practice on. I use hand tools all the time so it was a quick learning curve for me. I fix everything that breaks around my house and cars. Everyone is different so you'll just have to judge your own skills and decide if you want to take a practice class.
With that said, I know the value of the right tool. I have the pneumatic squeezer with adjustable set, and quick change pins. Worth every penny I paid for it. I also have tungsten bars. Love them as well. Because of their density, rivets require less hits to set. Some rivets are spots that the tungsten can't reach and so other bucking bars are needed to for the odd placed rivet.
Good luck on your journey.
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10-18-2016, 12:44 PM
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Another Squeezer
And to add to the thread, in addition to the Tatco and Avery manual squeezers, there is also the "Main Squeeze" from Cleaveland Aircraft Tool Company. Again, it costs more than the others, but you should also be aware that many RV builders like it's light weight and it's non-linear squeezing response.
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10-18-2016, 05:23 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Cincinnati, OH
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I have a Tatco hand squeezer and a Tatco pneumatic squeezer, and I will squeeze whenever I can, but won't hesitate to shoot the rivets if the squeezer can't be positioned to make a straight squeeze easily. You need to stay proficient at handling a rivet gun. That being said, if a squeezer will reach (and a long reach yoke, or flanged yoke will reach a lot more), I would use the squeezer because of the consistent quality, over the gun every time.
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10-19-2016, 10:40 AM
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Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Asheville, NC
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One point about pneumatic squeeze vs manual that has not been brought up.
I have a manual Tatco and obviously a gun and selection of bucking bars of both purchased and handmade variety.
I felt that the selection of a high number of different geometry jaws was a better path than going for pneumatic power. (IE Short, Deep, Longeron, No-hole ). From what I have seen of other builders pneumatics, the Tatco with multiple jaws was more versatile because the jaws and mechanism were smaller and easier to position in tight spots.
I agree with the poster that talked about squeezing #4 rivets with the Tatco. It takes a good grip. It was pretty much impossible with the deep reach jaw because of jaw flex. However, the short jaws were fine. I did make a couple of handle extensions out of a pair of long hardware bolts. They made #4 rivets easy.
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10-19-2016, 07:58 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: San Antonio, TX
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My first build was an RV6 and I had a 3x rivet gun, a few bucking bars, a C frame, a hand squeezer and a polished piece of flat steel for back riveting.
I still use these however I do occasionally use a tungsten bucking bar and I switched to a 2x rivet gun.
If you are doing a slow build kit, you will need the 3x rivet gun for some of the larger rivets, but the 2x gun is much easier to use on the bulk of the smaller rivets all over the airframe. (Riveting the number 6 rivets on a spar are something different and require an even bigger rivet gun or a c-frame and about a 2# hammer to set.)
If you are doing a QB kit, you probably won't need the 3x gun at all. My 2x gun has a swivel regulator at the base of the gun that I have marked for the two size rivets used on RVs.
I also have several pneumatic riveters and yokes but these are strictly luxury items. If you can afford them or plan to keep building, they are definitely worth it.
If possible, have someone experienced help you get started riveting. Some folks catch on right away but some folks take longer to get consistent. Only you can decide when you are ready to bang on your real plane parts.
Good luck.
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10-20-2016, 08:41 AM
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Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Mahomet, Illinois
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rv7boy
And to add to the thread, in addition to the Tatco and Avery manual squeezers, there is also the "Main Squeeze" from Cleaveland Aircraft Tool Company. Again, it costs more than the others, but you should also be aware that many RV builders like it's light weight and it's non-linear squeezing response.
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Cleaveland's Main Squeeze was one of the best tool decisions I made throughout my build. It's SO much easier to use than the Tatco that I used in the Sportair Workshop. Costly, yes .... but worth every penny.
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10-20-2016, 10:14 AM
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Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Montreal
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A C frame is also a great tool and certainly for a slow build is required. It simplifies riveting because you are guaranteed that the top and bottom dies are aligned with each other. Go to the EAA Hints for Homebuilders videos and watch the Synergy guy demonstrate back riveting - fool proof. The dies it uses are the same as a squeezer.
People baulk at the thought of buying $4k worth of tools, but by the end of the project you will own them - it is only a question of how much pain you went through and how much stuff you damaged by taking short cuts before you bit the bullet. And if you bought them bit by bit, how much extra shipping you paid (in my case it must have been in the $100s  ). Be smarter than me and buy good tools up front. YOu can always sell them when you are done if you buy the good stuff.
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10-20-2016, 12:00 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: 57AZ - NW Tucson area
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sblack
.... And if you bought them bit by bit, how much extra shipping you paid (in my case it must have been in the $100s  ). ......
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I think UPS and FedEx should offer a "frequent customer" program for RV builders... 
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10-20-2016, 03:22 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: New Smyrna Beach, FL
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Quote:
Originally Posted by KatanaPilot
I strongly recommend you take a Fundamentals Class from Synergy - 3 hours up I-5 from you in Eugene.
http://synergyair.com/builder-classes/fundamentals/
You will get an opportunity to use a hand squeezer, a pneumatic squeezer and a rivet gun. You also get 8 hours of great instruction from a very knowledgeable A&P and RV builder, free lunch and a $50 off certificate from Van's.
For me, the class was much more valuable than the classes taught by EAA and it was half the price.
FYI, I've been back to Synergy to build my RV-10 empennage/tailcone, fuselage and will be back to build wings in January. So yes, I highly recommend them.
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I second the recommendation to take the Synergy Fundamentals class. Probably the best money I spent on my build.
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