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Old 09-27-2016, 05:10 PM
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Cool Same Empennage Kit

It's also worth mentioning that the empennage kits for the 7 and 7A are identical. You can start work and continue to mull over your decision. As previously mentioned, this is an ongoing debate. Both models have pros and cons. Ultimately, I believe it to be a highly personal decision based on MANY factors.

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Old 09-27-2016, 05:10 PM
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I think you should assume that flight characteristics, insurance, speed, landing, building are all equal. Then decide what you want. When flying, the nose or tailwheel is invisible to the pilot. Taxi visibility is different, but probably a personal thing.

If you are worried about landing in strange places, look up the travels of Vlad in his RV9A.

I bought a tailwheel/tipup. After transition training, not disappointed at all.
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Old 09-28-2016, 05:33 AM
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Cheers everyone,,

Il order the emmpenage and this will give time to consider!

Appreciate the honesty, Knowing the taildragger might be considered a more desirable option in aviation circles isnt going to sway me

Il go with what feels comfortable and what I actually just like better

Definitely worth opening this small Forum, Thanks again
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Old 09-28-2016, 08:04 AM
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Read Vlad's posts and see the places he's landed and taken off from... habitually... for years. I also got the impression early on that the nose gear was a bit fragile, but I think it's just a matter of doing what you were taught to do since day 1 of flight training. Land slow, on the mains, keep the stick back, don't break the airplane.
Ideally yes. I think required equipment for the nose wheel should be an AOA.
I would venture to say, anyone that ever folded the nose wheel, other than a pot hole or something catching the nose wheel while taxing, came in to hot and forced the landing when the plane still wanted to fly.

Agree fully, if you "land slow", keep the stick back and don't break, one should never have an issue. But what about the time(s) you don't nail your airspeed, you come in hot, force the landing, bounce and attempt to salvage the landing, maybe run out of runway and you should have done a go around and didn't. That was my concern, and one reason why I switched.
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Old 09-28-2016, 08:40 AM
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Agree fully, if you "land slow", keep the stick back and don't break, one should never have an issue. But what about the time(s) you don't nail your airspeed, you come in hot, force the landing, bounce and attempt to salvage the landing, maybe run out of runway and you should have done a go around and didn't. That was my concern, and one reason why I switched.
Wow....kinda hard to respond diplomatically to that one......
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Old 09-28-2016, 11:34 AM
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"Hey, Doc, it hurts really bad when I do this..."

"Yeah, you shouldn't do that."
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Old 09-28-2016, 01:18 PM
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Back in 2007, NTSB did a study of the nose gear design. I'm not sure the reports are easily found on line any longer, but send me a PM with your email address and I'll send the PDF reports to you.

Regardless of where you decide to put the third wheel, this is still good material to go through.

I know others feel very differently, but I avoid unpaved (and rough paved) fields as I fly a "-A".

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Old 09-28-2016, 01:18 PM
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Agree fully, if you "land slow", keep the stick back and don't break, one should never have an issue. But what about the time(s) you don't nail your airspeed, you come in hot, force the landing, bounce and attempt to salvage the landing, maybe run out of runway and you should have done a go around and didn't. That was my concern, and one reason why I switched.
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Wow....kinda hard to respond diplomatically to that one......
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"Hey, Doc, it hurts really bad when I do this..."

"Yeah, you shouldn't do that."
Thank you, Dale......well played.
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Old 09-28-2016, 01:23 PM
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Hey, I have maybe 140 hours TT. Believe me, I muff landings at least as often as anyone and probably more often than most. I just figure a go-around is a lot less embarrassing than bending the airplane. Some days it takes more will power than others to not try to salvage a landing that's just gone bad.
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Old 09-28-2016, 03:47 PM
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AOA definitely not required to properly land an A model. Just come in at the right speed and develop a sight picture for a nose-high attitude before touchdown. Get a lot of transition training and develop a feel for it.
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