LAX mini route - Garmin Pilot

[osxuser]

Legally, you have to have the TAC chart on board to fly the route. In Foreflight, I know the chart info tabs are available. I have not been able to find them in FlyQ. I've never tried Garmin Pilot... but once again, no TAC chart describing the route on board (digital or paper), it is not legal to fly.

[cyrus]

I think a few emails to Garmin Pilot guys would be helpful. I'll start one today. They do listen. If you remember me asking for the profile airspace view after a posting on VAF they added it, and it's AWESOME. Especially in LA.

I found the FAA TAC pdf on line, can add it to your ibooks on ios or somewhere better on android im sure.

http://aeronav.faa.gov/content/aeron...s_TAC_73_P.pdf

WingX had these charts easily accessible as well. Appreciate all the responses. Great group as always!

[az_gila]

Originally Posted by cyrus

I think a few emails to Garmin Pilot guys would be helpful. I'll start one today. They do listen. If you remember me asking for the profile airspace view after a posting on VAF they added it, and it's AWESOME. Especially in LA.

I found the FAA TAC pdf on line, can add it to your ibooks on ios or somewhere better on android im sure.

http://aeronav.faa.gov/content/aeron...s_TAC_73_P.pdf

WingX had these charts easily accessible as well. Appreciate all the responses. Great group as always!

This Los Angeles FLY chart on SkyVector might be a little easier to read if you are not familiar with LA geography. The mass of yellow on the TAC chart is a little overwhelming.

https://skyvector.com/?ll=33.8793732...art=150&zoom=3

Keep the TAC one handy to stay legal though...

[snopercod]

When I flew the Mini-Route (Southbound) last year headed for Torrance, after I cleared LAX, LA Tower told me "Radar service terminated. Contact Hawthorne Tower". At the time, I thought he made a mistake because my destination was Torrance, but I didn't question him (I should have but I was tired after a long flight.) In a few minutes, I contacted Torrance tower and they instructed me to fly down the coast, which I did. I landed without incident and nobody said anything.

This topic has caused me to wonder if I hadn't screwed up by not contacting Hawthorne to request permission to transit their airspace. The top of their Class D is 2,500' and I was at 2,500', so maybe I was (barely) legal after all. What say you more experienced pilots? Did I screw up?

[Spirko]

Originally Posted by snopercod

When I flew the Mini-Route (Southbound) last year headed for Torrance, after I cleared LAX, LA Tower told me "Radar service terminated. Contact Hawthorne Tower". At the time, I thought he made a mistake because my destination was Torrance, but I didn't question him (I should have but I was tired after a long flight.) In a few minutes, I contacted Torrance tower and they instructed me to fly down the coast, which I did. I landed without incident and nobody said anything.

This topic has caused me to wonder if I hadn't screwed up by not contacting Hawthorne to request permission to transit their airspace. The top of their Class D is 2,500' and I was at 2,500', so maybe I was (barely) legal after all. What say you more experienced pilots? Did I screw up?

LAX Tower always has me contact Hawthorne as I leave LAX airspace southeast bound in the mini route (and they handle the transition to LAX northwest bound.) If I'm going to Torrance, I'm only talking to HHR for a minute until they hand me off. Flown it a dozen times and always assumed I was in HHR airspace at 2,500', I'm sure you drifted up a foot or two and was above their Delta.

[snopercod]

Originally Posted by Spirko

I'm sure you drifted up a foot or two and was above their Delta.

That's my story and I'm sticking' to it! Thanks for edumacatin' me.

[N64GH]

Tami says "hi". She says the call sign is very familiar.

I was going to say when talking to LAX tower and it is a female voice ask if it is Tami and say hello from VAF. We fly a 6 so she likes talking to the RV folks. She will help ya out. Once you hear her on the radio she has a distinctive voice/personality (friendly) you can usally tell if it is her. She has been there for 17 years she knows what she is doing and can help you out.

And she loves 10's wants us to build one.

[KTOA]

Originally Posted by snopercod

Did I screw up?

The always helpful answer is . . . it depends. If above 2,500' all is good. Also depends if HHR tower is open/closed.

Understand directly south (and north) of LAX is LAX Class Delta. Note the diagonal dashed line, it's ceiling is also 2,500'. It's adjacent to HHR airspace.

When LAX tower gives you a frequency change to HHR it's understood you will be in their Class D for a bit. The Delta airspace was added when they noticed that aircraft going around, and turning early, were in Class E. FAA was not happy. So they added the Class D.

I always try to use the mini route. You're always in controlled airspace with another set of eyes looking for traffic. The SFRA has it's issues, including knuckleheads using the wrong altitude for their direction of flight and others not making the voluntary position announcements (not required but annoying and not helping anyone.)