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Old 08-23-2016, 01:10 PM
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I did not get a chance to read all comments but here is mine.

I cross from KEYW to Mexico and Central America quite a lot and when I do on a fixed gear, I go knowing the aircraft can flip upon e-landing over water.

I do most of my flying wearing a Parachute or having one on board.
When over water I always fly wearing a Life Vest, have a 4 man raft, E-Pack and Small Ascend Scuba Tank.The PBELT always w me at all times together w Phone, passport and cash inside ZIPLOCK bag .

Depending on what aircraft I am flying, I can jettison the door and jump off not before making sure my PBELT, raft and epack come out w me. Open the parachute at wait for rescue. If Im flying my aerobatic aircraft, this last actions are limited and if I jump off the aircraft I will have to wait floating just w my life vest and PBELT until..........I like having my Raft while waiting for rescue since I dont like marine life swimming around me. Specially when there's a good chance blood will be present.

If I decide to ditch, what are my choices?..besides communicating to last ATC, broadcast on 121.5 and turn your PBELT ON, one is to fly the aircraft for as long in the direction to the nearest Boat, land, etc. and let the aircraft stall about 20 ft AWL (not AGL). Just let it pancake into the water eliminating as much forward movement as I can while trying most importantly prevent the aircraft to flip.
If I dont flip, egress normal and wait for rescue....
If I flip, questions are: Do I want the canopy latched or unlatched? Since I have a mechanical jettison, most likely I will choose to land with the canopy latched since it will give me additional buoyancy time to get Unstrapped and get my emergency Scuba tank in my mouth (good for 5 minutes under water)

All great in theory......what you think?
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Old 08-23-2016, 02:25 PM
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So say you have a slider, the rear must travel up a couple of inches before it will slide rearward, so if you are upside down, will you need to overcome the weight of the aircraft pushing down on the canopy before you can slide it rearward to exit. I have push lock pins up front and think I will jettison the canopy just before a stall pancake onto the water. the videos I have seen of small aircraft hitting the water, most of the forward motion is decreased by the time the top of the fuse hits the water?
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Old 08-23-2016, 03:22 PM
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.....what you think?
I think if I am unfortunate enough to ditch my RV-6 I will die.
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Old 08-23-2016, 08:50 PM
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Maybe skim it on/in inverted and when the inertia dissipates, maybe will be upright!

We can try and plan for that moment but when the ****, I intended to use the real word, hits the fan-our independent personalities will dictate what happens next.
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Old 08-23-2016, 11:27 PM
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I did not get a chance to read all comments but here is mine.

I cross from KEYW to Mexico and Central America quite a lot and when I do on a fixed gear, I go knowing the aircraft can flip upon e-landing over water.

I do most of my flying wearing a Parachute or having one on board.
When over water I always fly wearing a Life Vest, have a 4 man raft, E-Pack and Small Ascend Scuba Tank.The PBELT always w me at all times together w Phone, passport and cash inside ZIPLOCK bag .

Depending on what aircraft I am flying, I can jettison the door and jump off not before making sure my PBELT, raft and epack come out w me. Open the parachute at wait for rescue. If Im flying my aerobatic aircraft, this last actions are limited and if I jump off the aircraft I will have to wait floating just w my life vest and PBELT until..........I like having my Raft while waiting for rescue since I dont like marine life swimming around me. Specially when there's a good chance blood will be present.

If I decide to ditch, what are my choices?..besides communicating to last ATC, broadcast on 121.5 and turn your PBELT ON, one is to fly the aircraft for as long in the direction to the nearest Boat, land, etc. and let the aircraft stall about 20 ft AWL (not AGL). Just let it pancake into the water eliminating as much forward movement as I can while trying most importantly prevent the aircraft to flip.
If I dont flip, egress normal and wait for rescue....
If I flip, questions are: Do I want the canopy latched or unlatched? Since I have a mechanical jettison, most likely I will choose to land with the canopy latched since it will give me additional buoyancy time to get Unstrapped and get my emergency Scuba tank in my mouth (good for 5 minutes under water)

All great in theory......what you think?
Mitch, Where did you get your 5 minute emergency scuba tank?
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Old 08-24-2016, 06:06 AM
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scuba shop. This is it. http://www.spareair.com/ 57 breaths = 5 minutes if you can control anxiety that is....
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Old 08-24-2016, 07:46 AM
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As someone who in a past life had a lot of experience walking their wheels on water for fun and games I would plant my wheels on the around a 100mph and start easing back on the stick as my speed bleed off then a tail low at last second and hope for the best.If you fly over the water often you might want to practice up beforehand.
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Old 08-24-2016, 07:55 AM
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As someone who in a past life had a lot of experience walking their wheels on water for fun and games I would plant my wheels on the around a 100mph and start easing back on the stick as my speed bleed off then a tail low at last second and hope for the best.If you fly over the water often you might want to practice up beforehand.
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...unless, of course, there's wave action of almost any sort. I've seen this done with T-6's but always on water as flat as a mill pond. Ocean ditching? ...you won't be walking your wheels on anything.
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Old 08-25-2016, 01:42 PM
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scuba shop. This is it. http://www.spareair.com/ 57 breaths = 5 minutes if you can control anxiety that is....
In a former life I was a crewmember on USMC helicopters. Part of our recurring water survival training was instruction and use of the HEEDS (and later, the HABD), which was similar to the SpareAir. We were told repeatedly that despite the NAVAIR documents advertising ~2min of breathing time with the HEEDS, we'd be lucky to get a minute out of it, even in the training environment. They were absolutely right.

I can't speak to the SpareAir, but the HEEDS had to be oriented with the regulator up while in use, or it would not function.

If you do decide to go the SpareAir route, and you're not already a certified diver, I highly recommend training with it in a pool at least a few times - a ditching isn't the time to figure out how to use it.
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