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Old 08-02-2016, 09:18 AM
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Great info and very cool on going up in the Tower, you are lucky. I would've loved to have done that as well. We arrived on Saturday and must say, we sure enjoyed sitting on the edge of 18R Sunday watching the chaos! 9 out of 10 planes blew their base turn by going north of the blue dot/tower. And at one point witnessed 10 aircraft just on the base leg. Huge amount of respect for the controllers!!!!
This was my first trip into OSH, on Sunday afternoon. Approaching Ripon, I was somewhat surprised at the length of the line up. It took me a while to find a gap where I didn't feel like I was pushing my way in, and I latched onto the tail of a Cessna 180 for a couple of laid around Green Lake. We had a Glasair slide underneath us less than 50' below us. Then, over Ripon, about 1/4 mile behind the 180, a twin behind us, and flying 20 below the NOTAM speed, an RV tried to fit between us and the 180. I suggested he take a lap around the lake. The 180 flew the pattern too far to the north, crossing over the south end of 18, to far too the east, then waited until he was in line with 27 to turn into 18R. I just followed him, trying to tighten up the downwind and base a touch without turning inside him or getting grossly out of line.

Semi controlled chaos, for sure. Not aided by the controller calling our Maule an RV, lol. I was expecting "high wing" or "taildragger" or something that wasn't exactly correct, but wasn't expecting "RV", lol.
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Old 08-02-2016, 01:33 PM
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Not sure what others experienced on Sunday afternoon, but it was a mad house. I was never able to hear the ATIS even at Green Lake (where I held for a few laps with aircraft high. low, fast, slow and cutting off constantly). Were others able to get the ATIS out there? A common altimeter setting would have been good to have for common altitudes (although based on what I saw that may have been wishful thinking).

Several too-close aircraft, including a Cherokee that swung in at Green lake and just about descended on top of us, and a super cub or similar that slowed suddenly ahead of us. Made a lot of left turns and re-entries. But that's what it's all about - follow the instructions and maintain spacing. Most everyone did, and a few yahoos didn't.

The controllers were great. On final they kept a warbird that had gone around and me apart, thank goodness. He passed overhead with smoke on. Early free airshow, I guess.

Sunday afternoon was definitely the busiest I have experienced on the arrival to-date. The morning low overcast and haze resulted in everyone heading to outlying airports, then when it cleared up everyone and their brothers launched and headed straight to the same place. Crowded for sure.
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Old 08-02-2016, 02:23 PM
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We were listening to the handheld radio watching the action on 27 late Sunday afternoon when a Challenger Jet was coming in on final. Apparently a couple of aircraft down the runway had not pulled into the grass fast enough (one was an RV evidently) and the Challenger was forced to go around. 8+ minutes later he managed to come around on final again and this time the controller allowed a high wing yellow (very slow) aircraft to slip in in front of him. Despite the controller calling repeatedly for him to "expedite his landing" the Challenger again had to pull up and go around. This one was unfortunately on the controller's shoulders. Around the Challenger went again...burning a whole lot of JetA. No complaints voiced ...at least on the radio...Another 6-8 minutes go by. So now on the third attempt, the same controller had two different GA aircraft not even attempt the turn to final and had them stay up in the pattern to clear the way for the Challenger to come in. An amazingly smooth landing as well. The next voice on the radio was a different controller. The last guy had enough!.
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Old 08-02-2016, 07:43 PM
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We were listening to the handheld radio watching the action on 27 late Sunday afternoon when a Challenger Jet was coming in on final. Apparently a couple of aircraft down the runway had not pulled into the grass fast enough (one was an RV evidently) and the Challenger was forced to go around. 8+ minutes later he managed to come around on final again and this time the controller allowed a high wing yellow (very slow) aircraft to slip in in front of him. Despite the controller calling repeatedly for him to "expedite his landing" the Challenger again had to pull up and go around. This one was unfortunately on the controller's shoulders. Around the Challenger went again...burning a whole lot of JetA. No complaints voiced ...at least on the radio...Another 6-8 minutes go by. So now on the third attempt, the same controller had two different GA aircraft not even attempt the turn to final and had them stay up in the pattern to clear the way for the Challenger to come in. An amazingly smooth landing as well. The next voice on the radio was a different controller. The last guy had enough!.
Yup, I saw the Challenger doing the go arounds. So many people are given instructions, and just don't comply. "Start your base turn now..." and they insist on going all the way to the lake's edge before they turn.". Those controllers do a great job given the number of pilots who just can't get the concept of turning base early to land on the green dot!! But hey, that's Oshkosh!
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Old 08-03-2016, 05:59 AM
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First. +5 on strobe lights on tracks.

When 27 was closed for Mooney incedent it was total chaos.
Planes were told to go back to Ripon and start over. Some of the planes were on there own program and on wrong FREQ, decided to write there own approaches and fly 27 THEN land on 18R.
Had a Cherokee 6 come over 50' above our head on Rwy 5.
Looked like he was trying to land on taxiway by Home built registration .
Bad Jack Rousch approach.
The controllers saw him/ her coming and were scrambling like I have never saw before. We were on the move too.

Pretty scary happenings and all was good when he finally hit 18 R.

I would also rate the controllers a 10 this year.
Outstanding job.

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Old 08-03-2016, 06:38 AM
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First. +5 on strobe lights on tracks.

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Had a Cherokee 6 come over 50' above our head on Rwy 5.
Looked like he was trying to land on taxiway by Home built registration .
Bad Jack Rousch approach.
The controllers saw him/ her coming and were scrambling like I have never saw before. We were on the move too.

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I must have been sitting really close to you. I saw the marshallers heading for the boonies and almost followed them myself :-) That was an interesting (sometimes anxious) couple of hours sitting there....

I came in on Friday around 1130. My biggest problem was roasting alive at 90kts and 34C between Ripon and Fiske. Holy SMOKES that was miserable. However, the controller at Fiske was chatty and asked me what runway I wanted (it wasn't busy) so I replied "Surprise me". I got 36L. I didn't actually see a marshaller until I got to the big taxiway heading into HBC and the warbirds. The controller said "Just taxi in the general direction you want to go and someone will find you....".

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Old 08-03-2016, 10:17 AM
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I was watching (and listening) on the North Tower freq Sunday, and it was nuts...and there were some seriously unsafe situations.

The controllers voices were getting higher and more stressed-sounding the more they were getting slammed by traffic, especially traffic without a clue.

The aircraft flying the approach to 27, then just turning and landing on 18 without clearance all the while the controller was yelling at him to go around was unbelievable, and I thought the poor guy working the airspace was going to stroke out.

I'm generally not one to sic the FAA on folks, but that day there were some pilots who put others at serious risk and should have had someone in their grill about it...

Glad I come in Saturday, mainly to avoid a cluster___ like occurred Sunday....

What a goat rope.
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Old 08-03-2016, 12:59 PM
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I was watching (and listening) on the North Tower freq Sunday, and it was nuts...and there were some seriously unsafe situations.

The controllers voices were getting higher and more stressed-sounding the more they were getting slammed by traffic, especially traffic without a clue.

The aircraft flying the approach to 27, then just turning and landing on 18 without clearance all the while the controller was yelling at him to go around was unbelievable, and I thought the poor guy working the airspace was going to stroke out.

I'm generally not one to sic the FAA on folks, but that day there were some pilots who put others at serious risk and should have had someone in their grill about it...

Glad I come in Saturday, mainly to avoid a cluster___ like occurred Sunday....

What a goat rope.
Self redirecting from 27 to 18R - you mean like this person the Cherokee at 1:15 in the clip? The gold and white one - who almost wiped out one of the guys in my flight - all of whom were cleared to land on 18R.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CGhKsuXlJA

I wanted to follow this guy to parking and have words with him, but my backseater convinced me to let it go.
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We had a guy in a Cirrus do the opposite... instead of landing on 18 he decided instead just to extend his downwind into a base for 27, and rolled out right off our wing.
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Old 08-03-2016, 04:11 PM
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The north/south runways are sometimes referred to as 18 Left, 18 Right, and 18 Wrong (the taxiway).

My decision before arriving on Friday was that I would not fly either holding pattern but would leave the area and come back later.

My own arrival story is in the next post.
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