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Old 06-27-2016, 06:56 PM
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And when you do go to pick it up, I would go over every control surface, control linkage and critical fasteners, bell cranks, hoses and fittings, oil sample, ect. If this gets ugly, I would hope that no one would (accidently) forget to tighten something.
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Old 06-27-2016, 07:05 PM
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The original quote was $13600. Contract says to be reassessed upon arrival and throughout. 3 days before pickup the discussion starts. I've got him done to $20000 but that is insane for a new aircraft paint job. Just figuring out how to break news to my wife.

I'll contact lawyer tomorrow (again). His break even price is $18000. Does that even sound reasonable?

I'm not at all worried about foul play. I'm even disassembling and assembly for this price by my choice.

Such a great transaction and 100% happy with everything until 3 days before pickup. Not to mention I dropped it off April 20th!
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Old 06-27-2016, 07:58 PM
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It must be a AMAZING paint job for that price! Is that the going price in Canada? If you get it out of hock please post pictures. I have to see it!
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Old 06-27-2016, 08:08 PM
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...handedly. i don't live in canada but i would want to know the name of this place if he were in the USA.
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Old 06-27-2016, 08:41 PM
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Steve - from your posts here you've come across as an even-handed individual. I believe you will give the painter the benefit of the doubt and the opportunity to make it right.

At a minimum, the painter's name should be made public so that others know to draft a contract that does not have loosey-goosey price escalation clauses as it sounds like yours currently has. You may not have a lot of bargaining power here in terms of legalities, thanks to that wiggle room on price in the contract, BUT you have HUGE bargaining power in terms of the one thing that counts the most in the business - goodwill. It's pretty amazing what an ad in the COPA Flight publication can do. If this is a Canadian paint shop, their business will be cut off at the knees. One has to be very careful walking the line between stating fact and setting oneself up for legal repercussions (a half hour with a lawyer should get you some good advice on this point). Draft the COPA ad, with legal advice, and tell the painter "this runs next issue if you fail to meet the terms of your original quote". If he threatens to put a lien on the aircraft, ask him how well he knows FEDERAL law on liens - it's different from provincial, and we have the good luck of being in a federally-regulated space. Worst case, call up Transport Canada and see if they would be willing to undertake a not-so-friendly inspection of the painter's operation to see if his lack of scruples stretches beyond the financial and into the realm of airworthiness. If the painter has an AMO, this can be a significant amount of leverage to apply.
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Old 06-27-2016, 09:26 PM
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The original quote was $13600. ...

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I'll contact lawyer tomorrow (again). His break even price is $18000. Does that even sound reasonable?
No.

If you had a quote for $13.6K and you didn't change the design, colors, or scope of the job, *and* the aircraft was as advertised (e.g. no horribly botched fiberglass to repair that you hadn't mentioned), I'd expect to pay $13.6K.
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Old 06-28-2016, 11:04 AM
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With all due respect, even $13,600 is a ridiculous price unless it's an over the top job with crazy expensive paints. Stick to your guns on your deal, don't allow him to get away with extortion. I can't even imagine how his out of pocket expense could be $18K!
My paint job is close to over the top and I only paid $8500.
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Old 06-28-2016, 11:17 AM
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I'm not a lawyer, but -

Contract says to be reassessed upon arrival and throughout.

"Reassessed" says to me that the quote may be modified as the work goes along, but not retro-actively.

Having price changes due to unknown and hidden items is reasonable, but you should be asked to approve quote changes.
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Old 06-28-2016, 12:12 PM
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If the painting was significantly complete 3 days ago, or at least that was first notice of increase, over 9 weeks of posession, I cry foul. He did not contract the supply cost or invest a labor overrun in just the last 3 days to the increase.

If the Canadian State or Federal auto repair estimates law does NOT apply, 3 days in 9 weeks is not going to fly well in court, as written, for a contract tort. But, the problem is no one wins cleanly in court.

Artists may not be or retain good cashflow and communications reps- did he really not see the claimed mark up or communicate until 3 days ago? That should cost him in consideration for his lack of both. $13.6k was good faith on your part, you were not signing up for a steal of a deal.

If the bid was $13.6 and he has $18k in it and needs to stay in painting, he should take a happy, pride-swallowing lesson and be thankful for any penny over about $15k, the 10% estimate law would be a great basis.

He owes you receipts of his costs and labor hours- who did what, how long, which dates- not just an itemized bill, if he's getting a penny past the estimate, I'd expect an opening of his books to you in painful detail for your consideration.

He did not hold up his end of the contract once exceeding the estimate, he failed to communicate in a timely manner.

This is just a version of the driveway scam, even if well intentioned.
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Old 06-28-2016, 12:26 PM
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WOW.
Did you say F-18 Hornet? HUM----Seems to me when the plane was dropped off, and an inspection was made, a good painter would know if his quote was going to be good. If he's had to paint it 4 times because of his issues, then thas his overhead. Sorry-----I dont see this ending well.
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