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06-13-2016, 06:13 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2012
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Originally Posted by Maxrate
Rob,
I respectfully disagree. In the case of my Baron student, the rating took him about three times as long to get than if he would have learned the simple basic attitude instrument scan in an easier platform and then progressed to faster more complex equiptment.
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I think the trick would be if the student was comfortable and capable in the plane before trying to learn IFR in it.
For example, I flew a Bonanza for 15 hours before starting any IFR in it and was more comfortable in it than the 172 I finished my rating in.
I just started flying an RV6, and I think that it will be great for IFR in a few more hours once I learn the systems. The systems in it GRT are a heck of a lot easier than the old six pack IMO.
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06-13-2016, 06:19 PM
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I agree with the crowd that supports flying in your own aircraft. Why fly anything else? You'll learn your own plane from the bottom up. Who cares about a C-172 when you're got an RV-7.
Think about going further a field for your training. I knew someone that flew from Mojave to upstate NY in his Cozy Mk IV, because he didn't see a lot of IFR weather at Mojave.
Bob
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06-13-2016, 06:29 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
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I have to agree wholeheartedly with Rob. I did almost all of my IFR training in my RV-6. I took my check ride in the same airplane. I would be happy, if you haven't taken your written yet, to send you my study notes.
http://www.vansairforce.net/articles..._checkride.htm
It's challenging but very doable. AND SATISFYING!!!
And for me the sense of satisfaction was greater than having done it in a high wing spam can.
v/r,
dr
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06-13-2016, 07:09 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Indiana
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Thanks Doug. I may take you up on those notes. I have not started or ordered anything. To be honest, I really do not know where to begin to get materials. I absolutely love my 7. I have 220 hours in her & will never own anything else.
I want to Thank Everyone for the replies & encouragement. I will now try to find a CFII who work with me in my 7.
PS: Doug keep up the Great Work. I enjoy your website more than you will ever know.
Respectfully
Darren Kerns
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06-13-2016, 07:15 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Pensacola, FL
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Its all perspective
Some people are quick learners, some are slow. Some are visual, some like to read by themselves. Some need 50 kts max to fly a pattern, some are fine at 200 kts.
It is YOUR rating, do it the way YOU think you will learn best. Find a GOOD Instructor who has good reviews who is onboard with your plan. You MAY need to provide him/her with proper transition training. Obviously, take some input from others, but all with a grain of salt.
I currently take students with <15 hours in a C-172, we then put them in a T-6B. Roughly 30 hours in the plane and 30 hours in the sim later and they are shooting every type of approach in the goo. The T-6B is quite pitch sensitive and has a LOT of torque. We cruise at over 240, downwind at 200 and final 120. They shoot high altitude approaches, etc. SURE they do it daily, but that is not a ton of experience to do it all in a high performance turboprop.
Moral of the story is 50% will say it is a bad idea, 50% will say it is fine, and 50% will be wrong.
BTW, I have over 1000 hours teaching instruments, over 500 actual. Be SURE to get some actual time, it is invaluable. If you are at air venture, come by the Pilot Proficiency Center, I'll give you an hour in the sim each day.
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06-13-2016, 07:40 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2014
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I can definitely recommend the King Schools instrument rating prep courses. I enjoyed watching the videos and felt I really understood the material. Their practice exams were helpful. I didn't ace my written but I scored well over 90% after the King couse (same experience with their private pilot courses). I intend to use them for my commercial ground school as well.
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Originally Posted by Darren Kerns
Thanks Doug. I may take you up on those notes. I have not started or ordered anything. To be honest, I really do not know where to begin to get materials. I absolutely love my 7. I have 220 hours in her & will never own anything else.
I want to Thank Everyone for the replies & encouragement. I will now try to find a CFII who work with me in my 7.
PS: Doug keep up the Great Work. I enjoy your website more than you will ever know.
Respectfully
Darren Kerns
RV7 N599DT
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06-13-2016, 08:04 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Estes Park, CO
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LAMPSguy
(snip)...If you are at air venture, come by the Pilot Proficiency Center, I'll give you an hour in the sim each day.
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Nick
Any chance someone else can take you up on SIM IFR time at Osh?
Can it be logged?
I happen to be a slow visual learner!
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06-13-2016, 08:12 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Livermore, CA
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So, interesting statistics:
Non cfi's are unanimous, do it in your airplane.
Two civilian cfii's say take it slow, start in a 172.
One military cfi (where very motivated students are pushed hard) says start in the 172, then move up.
Why the differences? My guess: civilian cfii's have seen too many people bite off more than they could chew at once, get frustrated, and quit. So ask yourself, will I be frustrated if my initial progress seems slow? If the answer is 'no', and you understand that you will need more hours to get the rating than your friend who's training in a 172, then go for it in your plane. You "just" have to solve the problem of finding a good instructor who is reasonably familiar with your airplane and avionics (or be prepared to pay him to learn).
I mentioned the no-compete issue because that was the situation at our airport - the FBO required its instructors to sign something that said they wouldn't instruct for anyone else. However, they recently went out of business so maybe that wasn't a great idea! I personally have taken one pilot to ifr completion in his RV-10, and I don't think it was too much harder than, say, a 172. But the -10 is noticeably more stable than a -7. One last piece of advice: learn all the button pushing on the ground. Don't kid yourself, we're talking hours, not minutes, here. But up in the air is no place to be looking thru manuals!
PS +1 on Lamp guys comments about actual imc time. The FAA doesn't require it but personally it seems irresponsible to not give instrument students a taste of the real thing. It's mostly psychological but important.
Last edited by BobTurner : 06-13-2016 at 08:24 PM.
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06-13-2016, 08:21 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Livermore, CA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by wirejock
Nick
Any chance someone else can take you up on SIM IFR time at Osh?
Can it be logged?
I happen to be a slow visual learner!
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Sim time can be logged if
(1) the simulator is of a type approved by the FAA (there are different types), and (2) the person running the simulator is a cfii. Only dual instruction time can be logged in a simulator.
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06-13-2016, 08:55 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Shawnee, Kansas
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Against the crowd some
MEI here, but honestly I don't teach much. Would I take you as a student in an RV-7, I'd say, it depends.
Keep in mind that the average instrument student comes to an instructor without being able to actually fly an airplane. And you spend the first 20 hrs just doing basic flight maneuvers. If you can actually fly your RV-7... you're 80% of the way there in my book.
Second, you need at least a roll-axis autopilot. For a plane like this, you just do. IFR is a system, use everything at your disposal and having an autopilot for single pilot IMC is very wise... if not mandatory.
If I where you, I'd work 10-20hrs on being the best VFR pilot you can... learn to fly steep stable approach and use minimal inputs, "be the plane" land perfectly 80% of the time. Then find an old instructor who looks past the "twitchy" plane to _YOUR_ skills and realize he's training you, not the plane.
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