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06-08-2016, 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by flyinhood
This is a sad story.
The FAA has recently issued an advisory circular to all flight instructors emphasizing the importance of being stabilized by 300 feet AGL. The pros do it. Maybe if more people trained and flew set go around criteria, we would have less incidents.
300 on profile and especially on speed solves most problems. FAA still sets loss of control on takeoff and landing as one of the number one safety dirty dozen cause of accidents.
If it's been a while since you have been up with a CFI , grab one and get some good practice in. It can be fun and avoid unfortunate stories like this one.
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Good advice!
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06-09-2016, 08:29 AM
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For what it's worth, I know the pilot of the Bonanza. He says during his base to final turn something jammed the rudder and no amount of stomping on the ball could re-center it. He landed fast because he retracted the flaps thinking something with them could be causing the problem. From his telling of the story it seems to me that a go around would have been very risky and putting it on the ground was the best option.
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06-09-2016, 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Grum.man
For what it's worth, I know the pilot of the Bonanza. He says during his base to final turn something jammed the rudder and no amount of stomping on the ball could re-center it. He landed fast because he retracted the flaps thinking something with them could be causing the problem. From his telling of the story it seems to me that a go around would have been very risky and putting it on the ground was the best option.
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Wow! That will be a very serious investigation. Control jamming in a certified airplane, especially in a such a common and popular model, is going to get a lot of attention.
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06-09-2016, 09:02 AM
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agreed!
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Originally Posted by JonJay
Wow! That will be a very serious investigation. Control jamming in a certified airplane, especially in a such a common and popular model, is going to get a lot of attention.
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Interesting though, that common, popular, certified models with zillions of hours in service, are just as subject to things like flashlights left in the tailcone, or water bottles rolling under the pedals.
...just an observation, not a commentary on this incident.
I personally noticed after landing that I had dropped a roll of electrical tape, and it had migrated to the footwell area. Thankfully not a big factor with hanging pedals.
(Someone was just trying to teach me a lesson I think!)
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06-09-2016, 09:59 AM
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Murphy's law: "A misplaced object will go to where it can do the most amount of damage in the least amount of time." 
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06-09-2016, 12:10 PM
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All I can say is that I was glad nobody got hurt, at least physically. I heard from guys at the airport that the Feds ruled this one an incident instead of an accident because of the amount of damage or injury did not qualify as an accident. I am also glad to hear this for the pilot. It will still be an expensive repair as it was a prop-strike (and who knows what else).
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06-09-2016, 12:53 PM
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I did a go-around on my flight review...
...yes, Go-Around should be an immediate "tool" on pilot's hand on approach. The circumstances of this aircraft incident may be different, but on a recent flight review, my check pilot asked me to simulate a landing assuming that there is a 50 ft obstacle at the beginning of the runway. I maintained the altitude to clear the runway threshold at the required height, but instead of aiming for a point down the runway on stabilized descent, it tried a steep descent after the threshold is crossed (obviously not a stabilized approach down to flaring). The speed was very low and before my check pilot could ask, I did a go-around. It was the right thing to do for me. I have 780 hrs of flight time, but these things happen and need to be ready every single time.
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06-10-2016, 07:01 AM
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Wow. Great to hear everyone is ok. I'm not sure how I would react with the same circumstances. Jammed control is definitely an emergency situation. Not sure I would attempt a go around either.
I had a jammed stabilizer once and that was one of the scariest flights I had ever had. Google Alaska 262.
Glad everyone is ok.
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06-10-2016, 10:17 AM
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Go-around works most of the time
The go-around is a great tool when things aren't working out for single engine planes which is what most folks are concerned about, including me. Landing on a short strip with trees all around, you really have to be on your toes as you really only have seconds to make the decision and survive.
Being a part-time twin driver, I learned an important lesson during twin training about VMC, especially during a go-around. We had a Barron attempt a go-around by apparently fire-walling the throttles on landing to avoid a glider. Plane VMC and rolled over on its back. My doctor perished in that accident in addition to two other fine aviators. Twin drivers have to be very careful on the go-around procedure. Get the airspeed too low and the number of options available diminish.
I wonder if the Bonanza driver got behind the curve with possibly a crosswind and the passenger's foot restricted rudder movement? Who knows. I do know that I learn something everything these situations are discussed and hashed out.
Thanks for sharing!
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06-11-2016, 04:55 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by grubbat
The go-around is a great tool when things aren't working out for single engine planes which is what most folks are concerned about, including me. Landing on a short strip with trees all around, you really have to be on your toes as you really only have seconds to make the decision and survive.
Being a part-time twin driver, I learned an important lesson during twin training about VMC, especially during a go-around. We had a Barron attempt a go-around by apparently fire-walling the throttles on landing to avoid a glider. Plane VMC and rolled over on its back. My doctor perished in that accident in addition to two other fine aviators. Twin drivers have to be very careful on the go-around procedure. Get the airspeed too low and the number of options available diminish.
I wonder if the Bonanza driver got behind the curve with possibly a crosswind and the passenger's foot restricted rudder movement? Who knows. I do know that I learn something everything these situations are discussed and hashed out.
Thanks for sharing!
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I can attest that there were no crosswinds that day. It was a very nice calm morning. As for the rest of what happened, who knows. The pilot made the decision not to go around for whatever reason... and he lived. It might have been the right decision after all.
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