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02-23-2007, 01:13 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: NJ
Posts: 86
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Originally Posted by InsideOut
I hope you guys are equally evangelical about RV's on those other forums...
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No kidding. I enjoy being myopic and biased; those posts about other aircraft designs just make me angry
I've said this in other threads; I'm 100% spoiled by the handling of the RV's. I'm spoiled to the point of given the choice of flying an RV or anything else - I'd choose "quite flying altogether" over flying anything else.
Other aircraft just suck. Van's aircraft are THAT good.
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Gary
RV-6, First flown 1995
Another RV project under VERY serious consideration
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02-23-2007, 04:22 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Memphis, TN
Posts: 101
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Van's Aircraft are THAT good
I agree with you on your comment. Just today for an extended lunch with my brother (share 50 / 50 on a PA-28 Cherokee 140) I let him sit left seat while I dreamed of the day when I either finish my 6A or move on to the 12 once marketed.
Putzing around in a cherokee is fine, but just think about the sleekness of the RV's.
I'd take 138 mph over the 110/115 mph Piper. 
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02-23-2007, 10:22 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Presidio, Texas
Posts: 96
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RV-12 Cost Analysis
Over the last couple of days, I have been working up an operating cost comparison to show the advantages of the RV-12 over other modes of travel. Take a look, and comments welcome:
http://www.flybigbend.com/html/cost_analysis.html
Also, please enjoy my videos page. I do this just for fun while I'm waiting for the RV-12 kit to be released.
Chase Snodgrass, CFI
Presidio, Texas
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02-23-2007, 10:47 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Denver, CO
Posts: 155
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NICE video!
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Rob Davis
Denver, CO
RV-12... here I come!
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02-24-2007, 11:24 AM
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Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Kingwood
Posts: 80
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What he said
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Originally Posted by InsideOut
NICE video!
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+1
Mcstealth
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02-24-2007, 11:25 AM
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Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Kingwood
Posts: 80
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Originally Posted by Deuskid
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The Lightning can readily be differentiated with the S/C. It is a low wing w/ a jabu 3300 [as expressed earlier an engine that will accommodate fuel prices like Europe's more easily], LSA compliant [or regular experimental if you'd rather] and build in TN, USA and [even has a factory quick-build option] alternative:
current cost for kit is $33,900
There is a Lightning forum:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewforum.php?f=64
This is a pretty active forum and quite a few are being built and flown [it'd be interesting to see how many RVs were built in the first year v. the no. of Lightnings].
and the website sited before:
http://www.arionaircraft.com/
a short description and pilot?s impression:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=12480
It is most similar to the -9A in performance and is a modular composite design [a major modification of the Esqual [there is a recent thread describing the differences between the two in Matronics]]. If you go to their factory in Tn you can have something ready to paint in a week... After painting [they will job it out there or you can trailer it back with you and do it at home] they say you can spend another week at their shop and have it ready to fly. Their web site has all the details.
Aircraft selection is a multi-variable equation with each input of differing importance to each person. I just didn't want you to dismiss the Lightning if being a USA product and builder support were significant elements in your decision process because it qualifies in those inputs.
John
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Thank you for the links.
Mcstealth
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02-24-2007, 12:21 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Dexter, OR
Posts: 96
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Originally Posted by westexflyboy
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Thanks for sharing that cost analysis.
However, one issue that I consider important that is often missing from such comparisons is weight and volume capacity for baggage and passengers. One can haul an awful lot of baggage in an SUV that you'd be unable to carry in any of the planes in your comparison. And one doesn't normally worry about CG issues in loading a ground vehicle.
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02-24-2007, 03:48 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 497
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Originally Posted by westexflyboy
Over the last couple of days, I have been working up an operating cost comparison to show the advantages of the RV-12 over other modes of travel. Take a look, and comments welcome:
http://www.flybigbend.com/html/cost_analysis.html
Chase Snodgrass, CFI
Presidio, Texas
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Wow... interesting bit of work there! Assuming accuracy (Not questioning)... it just furthers my argument that folks should not pigeon-hole the RV-12 as an LSA for old guys... but rather a viable, economical, easier to build basic aircraft. This will be even more valid as fuel prices rise.
DJ
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02-25-2007, 10:21 AM
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Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Kingwood
Posts: 80
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Valid
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Originally Posted by JimLogajan
Thanks for sharing that cost analysis.
However, one issue that I consider important that is often missing from such comparisons is weight and volume capacity for baggage and passengers. One can haul an awful lot of baggage in an SUV that you'd be unable to carry in any of the planes in your comparison. And one doesn't normally worry about CG issues in loading a ground vehicle.
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The argument of course is a valid argument but in my mind is on a different plane and line of thought. Example. The group that went to Big Bend this past weekend from all points N, S, E and W. Would they have been able to meet each other Friday evening after work, if they left by Chevrolet Suburban? Most likely not. Maybe not even by Saturday Mid day if traveling by Chevy Suburban.
A Suburban, no trailer, can haul Six people stuffed full of camping gear to Big Bend from Houston no problem. If they left Friday Mid day, you could concievably be there Saturday mid day. I wouldn't want to be driving that Suburban. Could you be home on Sunday driving that Suburban? If you left Saturday night. How many RV's would it take to haul that much stuff? Debatable of course but it would take more than three. (No RV-10 as none were on the trip)
The mission is the key. The two missions are apples and organges.
McStealth
Last edited by mcsteatlh : 02-25-2007 at 07:28 PM.
Reason: spelling error
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02-26-2007, 06:55 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 14
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rv12 and other planes
Actually the website indicates the S/C is all metal (although with liberal use of f/glass as you mentioned). There certainly are a lot of new planes popping up. The Dova Skylark (this months Plane&Pilot) is another Rotax powered LSA that looks pretty sharp. The thing that interests me about the 12 is the very thing that makes it look so strange: cabin forward. I like the idea of being able to look down and see the ground rather than just my wing. Few low wing aircraft are designed like that, and it makes the 12 look a little strange. But I think it is its special feature.
BTW, ran across another pretty plane, this one not an LSA, that was recently certified in the US in the acro category (boy, when's the last time that happened?)
http://www.alphaaviation.co.nz/alpha_player.asp
If it looks a lot like a Zodiac, you'd be right. Both planes share a common design heritage.
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Originally Posted by jmoylan
The Sportcruiser does look sharp, but alot of the looks comes from fiberglass.
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