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Old 04-19-2016, 10:37 AM
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Any reason not to use a household detector?
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Old 04-19-2016, 01:32 PM
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Any reason not to use a household detector?
Response time and threshold come to mind, are they similar?
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Old 04-19-2016, 03:30 PM
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I'm still building, but I have a complete Dynon Skyview package. Is there a CO detector that will interface with a SkyView?
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Old 04-19-2016, 03:51 PM
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I'm still building, but I have a complete Dynon Skyview package. Is there a CO detector that will interface with a SkyView?
Not yet, as far as giving an CO PPM concentration on the screen. Any of the devices that give an alarm can be wired into one of the Dynon external contact inputs though, and it can trigger a warning on the screen for you that you configure the label for. It's just an on/off type of input.
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Old 04-19-2016, 04:55 PM
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Any reason not to use a household detector?
I would also like to know the answer to that question. I have my eye on a household CO detector with a form factor that would neatly replace the Quantum eye currently on my panel. And I can buy it for under $50. The manufacturer recommends it for boats and motor homes, so why not aircraft?

To quote the product spec:

Alarm levels as defined by European Norm EN50291-2010*
The table below shows the response ti􏰀mes at which your CO alarm will sound:

Parts per Million (PPM) of CO Time unti􏰀l Alarm
50 60 ? 90 minutes
100 10 ? 40 minutes
300 Must alarm in less than 3 minutes

I like that it doesn't alarm until it should and would be grateful for any insights to why this household CO detector would be inferior to the Quantum Eye and/or why it shouldnt be used in aircraft.
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Old 04-19-2016, 05:07 PM
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http://www.eaavideo.org/video.aspx?v=4598110268001

Lots of good info on CO detectors in there. IIRC, home monitors are not good for aircraft due to the longer response time.
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Old 04-19-2016, 11:12 PM
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I have one of these on the instrument panel:

http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspages/asaCO.php

$4.50 a pop. If I were using the heater more, I might go with something more sophisticated.
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Old 04-20-2016, 09:48 AM
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I have one of these on the instrument panel:

http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspages/asaCO.php

$4.50 a pop. If I were using the heater more, I might go with something more sophisticated.
No offense intended, but...really? I wouldn't trust one of these to save my life if you paid me.

Seriously...watch the video above, and then get a *real* CO detector. E.g., something like this:

http://www.pksafety.com/bw-clip-3-ye...etector-m.html

At $140, it's *cheaper* than the little plastic toy that is supposed to be changed every month, actually works, has audio and visual alarms and can even be taken out of the plane and taken with you into hotel rooms (check out the deaths and poisonings due to CO in hotel rooms).

CO poisoning is nothing to mess around with...if you're lucky, it can just make you permanently seriously brain-damaged.
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Old 04-20-2016, 12:36 PM
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I would also like to know the answer to that question. I have my eye on a household CO detector with a form factor that would neatly replace the Quantum eye currently on my panel. And I can buy it for under $50. The manufacturer recommends it for boats and motor homes, so why not aircraft?

To quote the product spec:

Alarm levels as defined by European Norm EN50291-2010*
The table below shows the response ti􏰀mes at which your CO alarm will sound:

Parts per Million (PPM) of CO Time unti􏰀l Alarm
50 60 ? 90 minutes
100 10 ? 40 minutes
300 Must alarm in less than 3 minutes

I like that it doesn't alarm until it should and would be grateful for any insights to why this household CO detector would be inferior to the Quantum Eye and/or why it shouldnt be used in aircraft.
My experience is anecdotal, but I keep a CO detector in my garage shop (it's pretty big with 4 doors and 50'x50' dimensions) and it routinely alarms quickly if I don't make sure to open the door nearest the running car and another door on other end of garage to get cross flow. I've never felt any ill effect even when it goes off, although I make sure to open all doors and get out. As drafty as my RV is I think I'd be comfortable with this kind of response.
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Old 04-20-2016, 01:35 PM
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No offense intended, but...really? I wouldn't trust one of these to save my life if you paid me.

Seriously...watch the video above, and then get a *real* CO detector. E.g., something like this:

http://www.pksafety.com/bw-clip-3-ye...etector-m.html

At $140, it's *cheaper* than the little plastic toy that is supposed to be changed every month, actually works, has audio and visual alarms and can even be taken out of the plane and taken with you into hotel rooms (check out the deaths and poisonings due to CO in hotel rooms).

CO poisoning is nothing to mess around with...if you're lucky, it can just make you permanently seriously brain-damaged.
Do what you want, but I'm comfortable with this solution.
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