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03-28-2016, 09:08 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2010
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Did you primer your ADSB box?
Just kidding, but I did find a way out of the requirement, it is kinda like going back to a rotary phone, here is a flow chart, http://www.faa.gov/nextgen/equipadsb/equip/
Question one, do you have an electrical system? well, I was wondering if that question refers to having an alternator to run an EFII system, and no electronic EFIS? and if you broke it down further to electrons, a magneto is using electricity to fire the plugs? so where can we draw the line? can I go no electronic system and use my IPad to navigate and be legal? just asking questions, but it does stir my pot when I read that the Air force will not have the funding for this by 2020 but we will still need to buy this equipment.....Happy Monday! ;-)
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03-29-2016, 06:54 AM
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Join Date: Sep 2014
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If you want more reason to be upset, all the 121 operators (i.e. major airlines) as a group applied for an extension last summer for the same reason. I forget if if they want to push it back to 2025 or 2030. 
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03-29-2016, 07:55 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Garden City, Tx
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They can push it back as far as they like, as long as the FAA doesn't cut off my ADSB-IN feed. I guess I'm one of the early adopters but I really like it.
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Greg Niehues - SEL, IFR, Repairman Cert.
Garden City, TX VAF 2020 dues paid 
N16GN flying 700 hrs and counting; IO360, SDS, WWRV200, Dynon HDX, 430W
Built an off-plan RV9A with too much fuel and too much HP. Should drop dead any minute now. 
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03-29-2016, 08:54 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: NC25
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Originally Posted by epaslick
If you want more reason to be upset, all the 121 operators (i.e. major airlines) as a group applied for an extension last summer for the same reason. I forget if if they want to push it back to 2025 or 2030. |
The story about possible phase in was published back in May 2015. It would only be for earlier adopters that did not have the approved GPS installed IF approved. The rest of us that have done nothing yet are still expected to be compliant in 2020 if we want to use the airspace that it is required in.
http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news...-224069-1.html
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To most people, the sky is the limit.
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03-29-2016, 09:26 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: SC
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I'm still day dreaming about my next project. (High wing bush plane of some type.)
It will have a battery, starter, radio, intercom, and maybe an EFIS.
With no engine driven alternator or generator, I won't have to install a transponder or ADS-B.
To keep the battery charged, I'm thinking of putting in solar panels above the pilot's head, between the wings.
Problem solved.
The only place I can't fly, with a 3rd class medical, is in Class Bravo.
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03-29-2016, 09:50 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Dallas area
Posts: 10,762
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Originally Posted by bret
Just kidding, but I did find a way out of the requirement, it is kinda like going back to a rotary phone, here is a flow chart, http://www.faa.gov/nextgen/equipadsb/equip/
Question one, do you have an electrical system? well, I was wondering if that question refers to having an alternator to run an EFII system, and no electronic EFIS? and if you broke it down further to electrons, a magneto is using electricity to fire the plugs? so where can we draw the line? can I go no electronic system and use my IPad to navigate and be legal? just asking questions, but it does stir my pot when I read that the Air force will not have the funding for this by 2020 but we will still need to buy this equipment.....Happy Monday! ;-) |
The definition of an "electrical system" is a battery and engine driven generator. And before someone asks, an alternator IS a generator.
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Mel Asberry, DAR since the last century.
EAA Flight Advisor/Tech Counselor, Friend of the RV-1
Recipient of Tony Bingelis Award and Wright Brothers Master Pilot Award
USAF Vet, High School E-LSA Project Mentor.
RV-6 Flying since 1993 (sold)
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03-29-2016, 09:52 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Garden City, Tx
Posts: 5,122
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Originally Posted by N941WR
I'm still day dreaming about my next project. (High wing bush plane of some type.)
It will have a battery, starter, radio, intercom, and maybe an EFIS.
With no engine driven alternator or generator, I won't have to install a transponder or ADS-B.
To keep the battery charged, I'm thinking of putting in solar panels above the pilot's head, between the wings.
Problem solved.
The only place I can't fly, with a 3rd class medical, is in Class Bravo.
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Luddite. 
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Greg Niehues - SEL, IFR, Repairman Cert.
Garden City, TX VAF 2020 dues paid
N16GN flying 700 hrs and counting; IO360, SDS, WWRV200, Dynon HDX, 430W
Built an off-plan RV9A with too much fuel and too much HP. Should drop dead any minute now.
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03-29-2016, 10:01 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Gardnerville Nv.
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Thanks for the clarification Mel, well, I am definitely going to have a battery, more like three or four......and not going to be hand propping this thing!
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03-29-2016, 10:05 AM
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Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Savannah, GA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mel
The definition of an "electrical system" is a battery and engine driven generator. And before someone asks, an alternator IS a generator.
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So what you're saying is, if I make an electric-powered airplane (which would have no "engine driven generator"), it won't need ADS-B Out?
Cool! 
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03-29-2016, 10:11 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Dallas area
Posts: 10,762
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bret
Thanks for the clarification Mel, well, I am definitely going to have a battery, more like three or four......and not going to be hand propping this thing!
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You can have a battery AND a starter, if you don't have an engine driven generator. You have two choices, a wind driven generator or a constant-loss system.
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Mel Asberry, DAR since the last century.
EAA Flight Advisor/Tech Counselor, Friend of the RV-1
Recipient of Tony Bingelis Award and Wright Brothers Master Pilot Award
USAF Vet, High School E-LSA Project Mentor.
RV-6 Flying since 1993 (sold)
<rvmel(at)icloud.com>
Last edited by Mel : 03-29-2016 at 10:23 AM.
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