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Old 03-15-2016, 09:37 AM
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BTW, my flywheel has the small dia alternator drive pulley. Have not determined if the large diameter drive pulley is a factor
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Old 03-15-2016, 10:17 AM
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I must say that Dan is a great resource. **** near brilliant, he questions everything. If he doesn't know the answer he learns the answer.

Yes, but as a used car salesman, can we trust anything he says?
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Old 03-15-2016, 10:32 AM
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Old 03-15-2016, 10:33 AM
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Well, I'm a tax accountant. You can trust me. 😉
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Old 03-15-2016, 02:17 PM
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Yes, but as a used car salesman, can we trust anything he says?
Nope. Trust, but verify...particularly with this stuff.
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Old 03-15-2016, 03:33 PM
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You could swictch between two reluctors with one unit. You will lose spark for a few revolutions, but the EDIS unit will pickup the signal in probably two revolutions after seeing the signal. All electronic ignitions are designed to pickup a lost signal gracefully. All of the pickups are low voltage with circuits and s/w designed to deal with all sorts of problems. The most common electrical issue in a car or plane is loose wiring, causing the signal to drop out and come back. ANY system must deal with this.
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Hi Kirk,
Lets pretend we have a pair of identical mag hole triggers, each with reluctor #1 at 4? ATDC and reluctor #2 at 15? BTDC. You start up on reluctor #1 which gives you 4? atdc below 300 rpm. Once the engine starts and rpm increases the ignitions advance +10 to 6? btdc. Now you flip the switch to the #2 reluctors and the ignitions settle out at 25? btdc....all with no megajolt in the system
I guess I need to decide if it makes sense to create this electronic "mag replacement" ignition, that does not have a timing advance map.

pros:
-less moving parts
-cheaper parts and plugs (not necessarily lower quality)
-I can say I have EI
-the ford parts have some proven history

cons:
-why bother replacing a mag with a mag?
-the switch flip for the starting advance is more workload, but I envision a momentary-on switch, bet then again low rpm ground ops might benefit from the 6? advance.

questions:
-would I expect lower fuel burn?
-would I expect better starts and smoother running?
-how much would low rpm ground ops benefit from 6? btdc?
-my described system does not have it, but if added, what real world advantage would a timing advance map give me and is it enough to care about?

this all comes up as I am nearing that point of slick inspection and have been thinking about a switch to EI instead of servicing slicks. pmag seemed cool, but this edis stuff lets me tinker.
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Old 03-15-2016, 08:06 PM
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The Ford EDIS and Ford coil pack and attendant reluctors have no moving parts, won't leak oil, won't need contact point maintenance, or need retiming. Spark plugs fire a wider gap and automotive plugs are inexpensive. You can buy everything you need for less than the price of an overhaul for one mag. Some custom parts are required, but are not impossible to acquire. Will not need routine maintenance, except occasional fresh plugs.

Operationally, my engine will still run smooth at leaner settings. Starts great, hot or cold. Doesn't act hot during post flight taxi. Purrs all the way to the hangar. My only experience is with Megajolt mapped ignition advance. I think Dan may have more information on fixed timing.

The two reluctor start and run option is a great idea. Fixed timing ignition will run the engine at least as well as mags have for incalculable hours.

And then there is the "tinker" factor. Gotta love that.
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Old 03-16-2016, 05:34 PM
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Anybody know how to combine a display to the Megajolt to show advance and program in plane.
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Old 03-16-2016, 07:16 PM
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I guess I need to decide if it makes sense to create this electronic "mag replacement" ignition, that does not have a timing advance map.

pros:
-less moving parts
-cheaper parts and plugs (not necessarily lower quality)
-I can say I have EI
-the ford parts have some proven history

cons
-why bother replacing a mag with a mag?
-the switch flip for the starting advance is more workload, but I envision a momentary-on switch, bet then again low rpm ground ops might benefit from the 6° advance.

questions:
-would I expect lower fuel burn?
-would I expect better starts and smoother running?
-how much would low rpm ground ops benefit from 6° btdc?
-my described system does not have it, but if added, what real world advantage would a timing advance map give me and is it enough to care about?

this all comes up as I am nearing that point of slick inspection and have been thinking about a switch to EI instead of servicing slicks. pmag seemed cool, but this edis stuff lets me tinker.
You left off a significant con. The mags greatest assest is that it runs without electrical input. Not so big a deal if you only replace one. replacing both shifts the balance scale in my opinion.

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-would I expect lower fuel burn?
I don't think so. The benefits here stem from proper timing. As long as a spark can light a fire, having a stronger one does little for you. At altitude, where the mag's weak spark can't light the fire consistently, you'll see improvement. Same holds for aggressive LOP operation.

-would I expect better starts and smoother running?
Same as above. Mag's have a weak spark at very low RPMs and the coil will improve consistency. 4 additional degrees retarded won't add a lot to starting performance in my opinion, beyond a slightly reduced risk of kickback.

-how much would low rpm ground ops benefit from 6° btdc?

Running your engine at any RPM at 6 BTDC would degrade performance and is not recommended. IDLE operation is optimized somewhere in the teen's to upper teen's depending upon conditions. ignition should advance in a somewhat linear fashion with RPM until you reach the max or peak advance in the 3000 range. Lower idles advance reduces heat and was used in the 70's to reduce emission ratings.

-my described system does not have it, but if added, what real world advantage would a timing advance map give me and is it enough to care about?

considerable and yes. The vast majority of benefits you hear about EI are related to variable timing. There is a reason cars don't use static timing. It is worse than archaic. Heck, even the Model T had variable timing albeit manual (a stalk on the steering column). However, it is not unheard of. Many drag engines use a static timing arrangement to eliminate failure and improve consistency. However, those engines only run at Idle and WOT.

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Old 03-17-2016, 07:46 AM
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-my described system does not have it, but if added, what real world advantage would a timing advance map give me and is it enough to care about?
Best answer I've seen is right here:

http://www.vansairforce.com/communit...6&postcount=44
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